Blue Jays Discussion: Guys are getting hurt, but Grichuk is mashing.

[Discoverer]

Doesn’t look good at all. He still ranked Vladdy way too high. You don’t get any credit for ranking someone #2 instead of #1.

Vlad is 21. There's still a slim chance he's not a finished product.

 

[shaner8989]

I’m at the point where it’s best to lose. Short season to tank

this team is just brutal.

 

[canucksfan]

I’m at the point where it’s best to lose. Short season to tank

this team is just brutal.

The team isn't brutal. The pitching has been very good. Bats have stunk but there are some signs a few players are turning it around.

 

[Discoverer]

I’m at the point where it’s best to lose. Short season to tank

this team is just brutal.

Yep, tied in the standings with other horrible teams like Washington and Houston, way back of the notable top teams in the league like Miami and Detroit.

 

[The Nemesis]

Yep, tied in the standings with other horrible teams like Washington and Houston, way back of the notable top teams in the league like Miami and Detroit.

Hey, I'll have you know that the Marlins are absolutely riding high thanks to the glorious stewardship of the man who was once voted by Fortune Magazine as the 11th greatest leader in the world (no, really. This is not a joke. Well, OK, the rest of this post is a joke but this fact is 100% legitimate and not a parody. I felt that this disclaimer was important because I don't want people thinking I just made it up as a bit of overwrought parody. It really happened.). It just makes sense that they would succeed.

 

[shaner8989]

Yep, tied in the standings with other horrible teams like Washington and Houston, way back of the notable top teams in the league like Miami and Detroit.

3rd last in the entire AL
Dead last in the division

That’s bad. Period

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I’m at the point where it’s best to lose. Short season to tank

this team is just brutal.

Lose Hard for Kumar

 

[Discoverer]

3rd last in the entire AL
Dead last in the division

That’s bad. Period

13 games. Every team has a stretch worse than this every year.

 

[ER89]

13 games. Every team has a stretch worse than this every year.

Yes and they have 162 games to turn it around. More than 20 pct of the season is gone which equates to 35 games in an actual season.

 

[Morgs]

Martin doesn't have any experience as a bench coach in any capacity. Pass.

I agree there's probably a trend there but even then, most of those guys Epictetus listed had some form of experience;

Baldelli: 3 years as a bench coach for the Rays before Minnesota hired him (another Cash disciple)

Boone: was hired straight out of ESPN's booth

Kapler: Scattered experience as a bench coach for international play/A ball

Cora: Was a bench coach for Houston for like a year or two

Beltran: No managerial experience but lots of people seem to think he was essentially a second manager in the dugout.

Cash: 2 years as a bullpen coach for Cleveland.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to champion a fossil like Showalter or Yost, but i'd rather have a guy that at least has a smidgen of experience before throwing them into the manager role. Especially a guy who is pretty well liked like Martin.

PFFTTTT.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/russell-martin-manager-blue-jays-seeason-finale-1.4844144

Looks like a smidgen of experience to me

 

[tmlfan98]

Martin doesn't have any experience as a bench coach in any capacity. Pass.

I agree there's probably a trend there but even then, most of those guys Epictetus listed had some form of experience;

Beltran: No managerial experience but lots of people seem to think he was essentially a second manager in the dugout.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to champion a fossil like Showalter or Yost, but i'd rather have a guy that at least has a smidgen of experience before throwing them into the manager role. Especially a guy who is pretty well liked like Martin.

Weren't some people saying the same things about Russ as Gibby's time was winding down?

 

[Discoverer]

Yes and they have 162 games to turn it around. More than 20 pct of the season is gone which equates to 35 games in an actual season.

That doesn't make a 13 game stretch any more meaningful in determining how good a player or team actually is.

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

Marlins have still not played a home game.

 

[ER89]

That doesn't make a 13 game stretch any more meaningful in determining how good a player or team actually is.

Sure, but your in tough when you've wasted 20% of the season. So those who want to tank aren't completely off-base is what my point was.

 

[Discoverer]

Sure, but your in tough when you've wasted 20% of the season. So those who want to tank aren't completely off-base is what my point was.

They're also 1.5 games out of a playoff spot with this year's format.

I get what you're saying, but suggesting the team is "brutal" and should tank is a massive overreaction to a couple rough weeks regardless of the length of the season.

 

[ER89]

They're also 1.5 games out of a playoff spot with this year's format.

I get what you're saying, but suggesting the team is "brutal" and should tank is a massive overreaction to a couple rough weeks regardless of the length of the season.

Yeah fair enough. No arguments there. I think both opinions are valid (except the everyone sucks mass overreaction).

 

[NeverGoingToWin]

There are pictures of what Sahlen Field looks like on Twitter. Pretty nice.

 

[weems]

There are pictures of what Sahlen Field looks like on Twitter. Pretty nice.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Anthrax442]

3rd last in the entire AL
Dead last in the division

That’s bad. Period

It id, but they are 5.5 games behind. One good stretch and they will be right in the thick of things. But I also agree that might as well tank hard before season is cancelled

 

[theaub]

Stroman waited until he got to six years of service time and then opted out of the season.

King move.

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

Stroman opting out.
Height doesn’t measure antibodies...?

 

[jetsforever]

Stroman moving swiftly to FA

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

Stroman moving swiftly to FA

This can’t help his reputation with potential teams.

we already knew that he was a pain in the ass, but now he’s unreliable as well. He has every right to opt out, but the optics are bad. Probably chase away a few teams...

 

[stickty111]

Already a great deal, and if SWR develops as expected, highway robbery.