GDT: GAME VI: Avalanche @ Rangers - Blueshirt Velvet

McMetal

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I really feel like we could have had two points in this one but for the posts and a really stellar tending performance by Henrik.
 

Ivan13

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McDavid has 9 points, Oilers have scored 10 goals, Draisaitl hasn't got a single point that didn't involve McDavid in some way. He has 1 ES point, is getting shelled at ES, has a grand total of 5 shots on goal in 4 games and has looked like crap like everyone save for Connor and Hopkins on that team.
 

Balthazar

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McDavid has 9 points, Oilers have scored 10 goals, Draisaitl hasn't got a single point that didn't involve McDavid in some way. He has 1 ES point, is getting shelled at ES, has a grand total of 5 shots on goal in 4 games and has looked like crap like everyone save for Connor and Hopkins on that team.

Shh. It's true but they don't want to hear it.
 
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Bender

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In that 5'11" group... not all are great two way players (looking at Duchene). All are very good skaters (which Jost isn't for his size). I have always said that if the player is smaller, they need to be better skaters to compensate for their size. The bigger a player is, the less that skating has to compensate. A 6'3" center doesn't have to skate like a 5'10" center to be as effective. IMO Jost's skating needs to be very good, not just for his size, but very good in general to be a two way guy at center. Moving him to wing cuts down the amount of ice to cover, so a bit more leeway in the skating department. Jost with his current skating can work at center, but you'll just be sacrificing either offense or defense. We are seeing that currently. I'd love for Jost to prove me wrong here, but if his skating doesn't improve drastically, I don't see him being able to play both ends of the ice at a high level at center. It will be one or the other. I don't have problems with smaller centers, I have problems with smaller centers that are not very good to elite skaters.

In that group (Point), the one elite defensive center is arguably a top 5 skater in the NHL.

Also within this it should be stated I believe the Avs could be a playoff team with a MacK-Jost 1-2 punch. I don't see them being legit contenders with that setup. To me, those are completely different realms of teams. I hope Jost proves me wrong.

Fair enough...I get where you're coming from.

I'm fine either way because I like what I've seen from Jost playing the wing both in the Summer Series the year he was drafted and at the World Championships last spring.
 
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AvsCOL

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It is almost like people don't remember that line without Landy...

Landy isn't always the most graceful or sexy (on the ice, not off since his off-ice sexiness is through the roof) player in the world, but he is very effective and incredibly important to that line. Is there a potential improvement out there? Sure, but I think you are looking at a Jamie Benn sort of player to be an upgrade.

I remember it quite well, when Rantanen was a baby who couldn't stand up. Both MacKinnon and Rantanen are very capable of getting in the dirty areas, and obviously Landeskog helps with that, but he's a play-killer when compared to those two. Fact is, we don't have anyone better to put there right now, but eventually they're have to find someone.
 

henchman21

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I remember it quite well, when Rantanen was a baby who couldn't stand up. Both MacKinnon and Rantanen are very capable of getting in the dirty areas, and obviously Landeskog helps with that, but he's a play-killer when compared to those two. Fact is, we don't have anyone better to put there right now, but eventually they're have to find someone.

98% of the NHL will be compared to those two.
 
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Foppa2118

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I remember it quite well, when Rantanen was a baby who couldn't stand up. Both MacKinnon and Rantanen are very capable of getting in the dirty areas, and obviously Landeskog helps with that, but he's a play-killer when compared to those two. Fact is, we don't have anyone better to put there right now, but eventually they're have to find someone.

He keeps the play alive a hell of a lot too with his puck protection down low and along the half wall. Eventually getting the puck back to the point or over to Nate/Mikko. Doesn't usually show up on the stat sheet either, because it's usually early in the PP setup.
 

AvsFan29

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We're now almost to the Landy-is-a-talentless-grinder portion of the discussion.
His tips and redirects are as good as anyone in the league right now. I don't know who we could replace him with. Jost? He plays on PP1 and has 2 points and is usually invisible with Mack/Rants.
 

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