Goal-Day Thread Game 9: Canucks @ Coyotes | 10/25/2018 7:00 p.m. PDT | FS-A

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Lawson Crouse - Alex Galchenyuk - Clayton Keller
Brendan Perlini - Derek Stepan - Christian Fischer
Michael Grabner - Brad Richardson - Vince Hinostroza
Nick Cousins - Dylan Strome - Josh Archibald

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Jason Demers
Alex Goligoski - Niklas Hjalmarsson
Kevin Connauton - Jordan Oesterle

Antti Raanta
Darcy Kuemper

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Brendan Leipsic - Bo Horvat - Loui Eriksson
Sven Baertschi - Adam Gaudette - Jake Virtanen
Antoine Roussel - Brandon Sutter - Tyler Motte
Tim Schaller - Markus Granlund - Nikolay Goldobin

Alexander Edler - Chris Tanev
Michael del Zotto - Erik Gudbranson
Ben Hutton - Derrick Pouliot

Jacob Markstrom
Anders Nilsson


All lines are pure speculation and ripped off from dailyfaceoff.com.



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If we lose, I'm blaming Katie Connauton.
 

Bonsai Tree

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That is not what I had in mind when we drafted the next Ron Francis a couple summers ago. Maybe Bo Horvat will get busy playing Fortnite and forget what time the game is.
The criticism of Cousins is not rooted in fact. Also, no one annointed Strome the next Ron Francis. He has to work his way up the lineup. His skill will shine regardless of the line he is on. (Or it won't regardless of which line he's on).
 

RemoAZ

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Yep the talent Strome has shown when getting to play with more skilled players means nothing. He should looks just as good playing with 4th line guys. Same thing our old staff said about Turris. Turning into a solid #2 center instantly after getting traded to Ottawa was pure luck...or was it coincidence?
 
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Yep the talent Strome has shown when getting to play with more skilled players means nothing. He should looks just as good playing with 4th line guys. Same thing our old staff said about Turris. Turning into a solid #2 center instantly after getting traded to Ottawa was pure luck...or was it coincidence?
Coincidence. Turris was not giving his all in Arizona. That much was clear. He would have shone on Ottawa's 3rd line. Their 4th line was a big bruising line IIRC which Arizona doesn't have. I didn't like how Turris was handled here, nor did I like how he reacted to it.

Watch Strome really carefully in person at the arena. I recall that you are a season ticket holder. Watch his play when he doesn't have the puck. I notice that he is very talented with tremendous vision and stick control when he has the puck. He's not as slow as advertised. His problem has been that he is light in the pants. Not as much a matter of weight but of strength. The top line defenders and centers out muscle him in the front of the net and on the boards. He also gets out muscled and pushed to the ice way too frequently against the top lines when on defense. He looks much better when playing against a 3rd line and a second or third pairing. Let him grow stronger this year with a full year on the team playing good minutes. That won't be a problem as Tocchet is really good to his word and rotates through his 4 lines. Next year Strome should be able to shine on the 2nd line, possibly the top line.
 
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cobra427

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Coincidence. Turris was not giving his all in Arizona. That much was clear. He would have shone on Ottawa's 3rd line. Their 4th line was a big bruising line IIRC which Arizona doesn't have. I didn't like how Turris was handled here, nor did I like how he reacted to it.

Watch Strome really carefully in person at the arena. I recall that you are a season ticket holder. Watch his play when he doesn't have the puck. I notice that he is very talented with tremendous vision and stick control when he has the puck. He's not as slow as advertised. His problem has been that he is light in the pants. Not as much a matter of weight but of strength. The top line defenders and centers out muscle him in the front of the net and on the boards. He also gets out muscled and pushed to the ice way too frequently against the top lines when on defense. He looks much better when playing against a 3rd line and a second or third pairing. Let him grow stronger this year with a full year on the team playing good minutes. That won't be a problem as Tocchet is really good to his word and rotates through his 4 lines. Next year Strome should be able to shine on the 2nd line, possibly the top line.
Maybe Tocc plays Stome with forwards that can cover more for him on D and he won't have to defend the other teams top lines as much. Strome will get opportunities on the PP anyway. Once his away from the puck play improves, he can be paired with better offensive wingers.
 

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I am shocked and disappointed that there is no "Grabner stoned on the doorstep" square.
If he converted half of his glorious chances he'd have at least 4 goals at this point. He's the most snake-bit of anybody on the roster, but I still think he could end up with 25+ goals this year since he seems to get at least one grade A chance every game.
 

Jakey53

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Coincidence. Turris was not giving his all in Arizona. That much was clear. He would have shone on Ottawa's 3rd line. Their 4th line was a big bruising line IIRC which Arizona doesn't have. I didn't like how Turris was handled here, nor did I like how he reacted to it.

Watch Strome really carefully in person at the arena. I recall that you are a season ticket holder. Watch his play when he doesn't have the puck. I notice that he is very talented with tremendous vision and stick control when he has the puck. He's not as slow as advertised. His problem has been that he is light in the pants. Not as much a matter of weight but of strength. The top line defenders and centers out muscle him in the front of the net and on the boards. He also gets out muscled and pushed to the ice way too frequently against the top lines when on defense. He looks much better when playing against a 3rd line and a second or third pairing. Let him grow stronger this year with a full year on the team playing good minutes. That won't be a problem as Tocchet is really good to his word and rotates through his 4 lines. Next year Strome should be able to shine on the 2nd line, possibly the top line.

On the most part you are right, but this year he has shown the ability and willingness to stand in front of the net and getting himself in position. He has also battled on the boards more than years past. All he needs is time.

Maybe Tocc plays Stome with forwards that can cover more for him on D and he won't have to defend the other teams top lines as much. Strome will get opportunities on the PP anyway. Once his away from the puck play improves, he can be paired with better offensive wingers.

His play away from the puck is fine but not consistent, like a few others on this team. It drives me nuts, but that's the way it is with most of these young kids.
 

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On the most part you are right, but this year he has shown the ability and willingness to stand in front of the net and getting himself in position. He has also battled on the boards more than years past. All he needs is time.



His play away from the puck is fine but not consistent, like a few others on this team. It drives me nuts, but that's the way it is with most of these young kids.

He's been our best faceoff man and one of our best offensive players. His defense has improved a lot and will improve more with opportunity and minutes. How about we also work to develop his offense further instead of this BS philosophy of waiting for his defense to improve before he gets to play with more skilled wingers. I freaking hate when I hear that crap. News Flash: We aren't winning the cup this year. Great time to let Strome blossom into an offensive force while the coaches "coach" him up defensively. There are lots of players that score a lot of points in the league but are marginal defensively. If Strome doesn't turn into a point producer, it doesn't matter how much his defense improves. There's nothing about his skills, personality or play on the ice that suggests he'll ever be a good bottom six defensive specialist.

I'm not a season ticket holder any more but I'll be there tomorrow. Maybe I can get a "Free Strome" chant going.
 
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cobra427

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He's been our best faceoff man and one of our best offensive players. His defense has improved a lot and will improve more with opportunity and minutes. How about we also work to develop his offense further instead of this BS philosophy of waiting for his defense to improve before he gets to play with more skilled wingers. I freaking hate when I hear that crap. News Flash: We aren't winning the cup this year. Great time to let Strome blossom into an offensive force while the coaches "coach" him up defensively. There are lots of players that score a lot of points in the league but are marginal defensively. If Strome doesn't turn into a point producer, it doesn't matter how much his defense improves. There's nothing about his skills, personality or play on the ice that suggests he'll ever be a good bottom six defensive specialist.

I'm not a season ticket holder any more but I'll be there tomorrow. Maybe I can get a "Free Strome" chant going.

His D has improved enough to keep him out of the AHL anyway for now, give you that. If Strome was a little better on D, he wouldn't be on the 4th line with his skills. Keep in mind, Tocc might be protecting him and limiting his minutes 5 on 5 so he doesn't get exposed or have to play against the other teams top lines.
 

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He's been our best faceoff man and one of our best offensive players. His defense has improved a lot and will improve more with opportunity and minutes. How about we also work to develop his offense further instead of this BS philosophy of waiting for his defense to improve before he gets to play with more skilled wingers. I freaking hate when I hear that crap. News Flash: We aren't winning the cup this year. Great time to let Strome blossom into an offensive force while the coaches "coach" him up defensively. There are lots of players that score a lot of points in the league but are marginal defensively. If Strome doesn't turn into a point producer, it doesn't matter how much his defense improves. There's nothing about his skills, personality or play on the ice that suggests he'll ever be a good bottom six defensive specialist.

I'm not a season ticket holder any more but I'll be there tomorrow. Maybe I can get a "Free Strome" chant going.
I just don't see how you can make those claims watching a TV feed. It's his play without the puck which needs to improve. That isn't usually obvious on the tunnel vision of the TV feed. A 1st line center needs a 200 foot game. It will come. Have a little patience. He's being brought along just fine. Unlike Turris, Strome is getting good minutes as well as power play time. You know that I'm not a fan of Tocchet, but in this case I think that he is dead on balls accurate. Somebody who knows how, please insert the My Cousin Vinny clip. Thanks.
 

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If we make it to the playoffs I want the howl replaced with Moses blowing a shofar for every goal.
 

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Coincidence. Turris was not giving his all in Arizona. That much was clear. He would have shone on Ottawa's 3rd line. Their 4th line was a big bruising line IIRC which Arizona doesn't have. I didn't like how Turris was handled here, nor did I like how he reacted to it.

Watch Strome really carefully in person at the arena. I recall that you are a season ticket holder. Watch his play when he doesn't have the puck. I notice that he is very talented with tremendous vision and stick control when he has the puck. He's not as slow as advertised. His problem has been that he is light in the pants. Not as much a matter of weight but of strength. The top line defenders and centers out muscle him in the front of the net and on the boards. He also gets out muscled and pushed to the ice way too frequently against the top lines when on defense. He looks much better when playing against a 3rd line and a second or third pairing. Let him grow stronger this year with a full year on the team playing good minutes. That won't be a problem as Tocchet is really good to his word and rotates through his 4 lines. Next year Strome should be able to shine on the 2nd line, possibly the top line.

I have to disagree about Turris not giving his all. I felt he did give his all. Went to the net hard. Was knocked down a bunch. Tippet used him on the 4th line. There were several games Biz was his winger. He was on the 4th line or was sat for half of the third period. He knew he needed to get out of Phoenix to better his career.
I can't blame him for wanting to leave - he was being misued. Belanger and Fiddler were getting lots more ice time. I never saw Turris not give his all. You can be upset that he wanted out but it wasn't because he wasnt trying. Just my honest opinion.
 

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I have to disagree about Turris not giving his all. I felt he did give his all. Went to the net hard. Was knocked down a bunch. Tippet used him on the 4th line. There were several games Biz was his winger. He was on the 4th line or was sat for half of the third period. He knew he needed to get out of Phoenix to better his career.
I can't blame him for wanting to leave - he was being misued. Belanger and Fiddler were getting lots more ice time. I never saw Turris not give his all. You can be upset that he wanted out but it wasn't because he wasnt trying. Just my honest opinion.
Your opinion is always welcome. Come and post more frequently! I remember Turris pouting and not playing well at all after he requested a trade. In his first year he was blown out by all the top centers. He was too young. When he came back he had a chip on his shoulder. He may have played well at first, I really don't remember. I do remember why his play was crap for some games and then he was scratched. Then word got out of the trade.
 

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I have to disagree about Turris not giving his all. I felt he did give his all. Went to the net hard. Was knocked down a bunch. Tippet used him on the 4th line. There were several games Biz was his winger. He was on the 4th line or was sat for half of the third period. He knew he needed to get out of Phoenix to better his career.
I can't blame him for wanting to leave - he was being misued. Belanger and Fiddler were getting lots more ice time. I never saw Turris not give his all. You can be upset that he wanted out but it wasn't because he wasnt trying. Just my honest opinion.

I cringe every time I see our first line center's name, Belanger. That team was soooooo boring and sooooo bad offensively. I went to just about every game that year, 3 rows off the ice at the face off circle in the end we shoot twice. I had to drink heavily to keep my self entertained. Ugh! The coach loved it though.
 

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