Half-Assed GDT: Game 4

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Alklha

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This is all on Armstrong for having such a terrible plan for goaltending. Unless he signed the worst backup available with the plan to send him down if he didn’t become another Elliott or Hutton.

Binnington also put up really strong numbers everywhere he played. The organization was always high on Husso for whatever reason.
We have always been high on Husso because he is extremely talented; he showed in Liiga with HIFK just how good he can be

We should still be high on Husso. I know his AHL numbers aren't exactly pretty, but none of us should be surprised considering how badly this organisation handles goalies. It isn't until we actually show the player a path to escape our AHL mediocrity that they step-up. The three prior to Husso have all been quality NHL goalies, our problem isn't indentifying talent... it's trusting it and giving them an opportunity.
 

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I think a lot of flak that Allen gets is that Armstrong traded Bishop instead of him, and as a result, he has to deal with those expectations fairly or unfairly.

Bishop is clearly a better goalie, but Allen isn't a bad goalie. He's a good tandem goalie.

ETA: Armstrong was also in a position in which he had to pretty much make a decision between Bishop, Allen, Halak, and Elliott. Elliott was making pennies and playing his best season, Halak was still under contract for a few more season. Bishop was going to be lost in FA if Elliott or Halak wasn't moved and Allen needed playing time.



I'd prefer keeping Bozak as he still has use and seems to have good chemistry with Thomas which appears to be helping his development.
There was never an organizational decision between Allen and Bishop. Bishop was traded because the organization chose to keep the Halak/Elliott tandem at the NHL level. Bishop was a pending UFA at the end of the 2011/12 season. In that 11/12 season Halak and Elliott won the Jennings trophy, posting .926 and .940 SV%s. Halak was under contract for two more seasons and we gave Elliott a 2 year extension in January of 2012. With no NHL spot for him, it was obvious that Bishop would walk as a UFA in the summer to go somewhere that could make him an NHL backup. Bishop was traded a month after we gave Elliott his extension so that we wouldn't lose him for nothing.

Jake Allen being in the organization had nothing to do with Bishop being traded. "Allen needing playing time" wasn't a factor in the decision, because Allen was going to get that increased playing time regardless of which 2 goalies the Blues chose out of Halak/Elliott/Bishop.
 

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There was never an organizational decision between Allen and Bishop. Bishop was traded because the organization chose to keep the Halak/Elliott tandem at the NHL level. Bishop was a pending UFA at the end of the 2011/12 season. In that 11/12 season Halak and Elliott won the Jennings trophy, posting .926 and .940 SV%s. Halak was under contract for two more seasons and we gave Elliott a 2 year extension in January of 2012. With no NHL spot for him, it was obvious that Bishop would walk as a UFA in the summer to go somewhere that could make him an NHL backup. Bishop was traded a month after we gave Elliott his extension so that we wouldn't lose him for nothing.

Jake Allen being in the organization had nothing to do with Bishop being traded. "Allen needing playing time" wasn't a factor in the decision, because Allen was going to get that increased playing time regardless of which 2 goalies the Blues chose out of Halak/Elliott/Bishop.
It would've been nice if we got something worthwhile rather than, *checks notes* Tommy Vannelli...
 
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Brian39

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This is all on Armstrong for having such a terrible plan for goaltending. Unless he signed the worst backup available with the plan to send him down if he didn’t become another Elliott or Hutton.

Binnington also put up really strong numbers everywhere he played. The organization was always high on Husso for whatever reason.
Well that's not true.

A .916, .907, and .911 for 3 straight years on the Chicago Wolves in the AHL are absolutely not really strong numbers. An AHL .916 is acceptable for an NHL prospect's rookie AHL season, but it is nothing special. Regressing from that over the next 2 AHL numbers is absolutely cause for concern and absolutely can't be considered strong numbers.

The organization was high on Husso over Binner because in Husso's first AHL year he posted a .920 while Binner was at .911 that season. Husso was 2 years younger and had been a top goalie in the Finnish league for the previous few years while Binner was stagnating in the AHL. If our AHL situation wasn't a disaster in 2017/18 then both Husso and Binner would have been on our AHL team. But we only had 1 AHL goalie spot and we gave it to the younger guy coming off the better season. Every team in the league would have made that decision.

In the summer between his .911 on the Wolves and being loaned to Providence, Binner hired a new trainer in the offseason, rededicated himself and saved his own career. He deserves all the credit in the world for that, but this revisionist history where he was overlooked for no reason needs to stop. He got outplayed by Husso in 2016/17, full stop. He and Husso both had great AHL seasons in 2017/18 (for different teams) and in 2018/19 the two of them competed with each other for the net in San Antonio. Binner drastically outplayed Husso and was rewarded with the call up to the AHL in December.
 

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It would've been nice if we got something worthwhile rather than, *checks notes* Tommy Vannelli...
We got a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old pending UFA that had posted an .896 SV% through 13 NHL games. That's not a bad return and it isn't really fair to criticize the return based on who we picked with it.
 
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Davimir Tarablad

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We got a 2nd round pick for a 25 year old pending UFA that had posted an .896 SV% through 13 NHL games. That's not a bad return and it isn't really fair to criticize the return based on who we picked with it.
True, it just always sucks to see a bust attached to a trade of a player who panned out quite well
 
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There was never an organizational decision between Allen and Bishop. Bishop was traded because the organization chose to keep the Halak/Elliott tandem at the NHL level. Bishop was a pending UFA at the end of the 2011/12 season. In that 11/12 season Halak and Elliott won the Jennings trophy, posting .926 and .940 SV%s. Halak was under contract for two more seasons and we gave Elliott a 2 year extension in January of 2012. With no NHL spot for him, it was obvious that Bishop would walk as a UFA in the summer to go somewhere that could make him an NHL backup. Bishop was traded a month after we gave Elliott his extension so that we wouldn't lose him for nothing.

Jake Allen being in the organization had nothing to do with Bishop being traded. "Allen needing playing time" wasn't a factor in the decision, because Allen was going to get that increased playing time regardless of which 2 goalies the Blues chose out of Halak/Elliott/Bishop.

I edited my post(which is shown in you quoted), to mention that.

IIRC, this was almost 9 years ago, but Elliott was brought into compete against Bishop for the backup goalie spot and outperformed him in camp and the preseason. And then regular season.

Mind you, this was after Elliott had a terrible season the year before.

Bishop’s contract was up after the season and Allen was playing in Peoria as well.

They chose Elliott and Allen over Bishop. Bishop could’ve been the backup to Halak or been the outright #1 in Peoria instead of splitting time with Allen.

I don’t fault Armstrong for what he did as Elliott performed surprisingly well, but he still chose Elliott and Allen over Bishop.

How the organization views Husso currently is similar to how Allen was viewed. Bishop was held in high regard, but not to the same level as Allen.
 
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Thanks only 384 to go

Back to it

What a win!
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That game was what we have been expecting from the Blues since the season restarted. If that play keeps up, I'm optimistic with our chances to repeat.

There isn't much I can say that everyone doesn't already know. Faulk has been 100% better over the last 2 games, Thomas is a stud, ROR is god.
 
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