GDT: Game 3: Wings vs ducks 7:30 pm et (FSD)

[Gniwder]

I find it hilarious, but that's probably because we haven't seen him in any meaningful games. I'd probably feel differently if he did the same in a high pressure playoff game

He has. That's why the Caps moved on.

If Greenie was a legit first pair, the Caps wouldn't have signed Nisky. Then Carlson moved ahead, and Green wound up on the third pair before he became UFA.

 

[Kronwalled55]

I won’t sweat this one. I know we have a long way to go, but I think we already look a mile better than last season.

 

[LarKing]

MLB line was shut down hard tonight. Unfortunately it’s basically just AA you have to worry about after that. Gibson barely tested at all.

 

[theYman]

Hitting 3 posts didn't help. And that offsides callback was our dagger.

 

[Shaman464]

Without any secondary scoring this will be common. If you can shut down the first line against Detroit, you're probably going to win. And the Defense definitely looks inexperienced.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Not gonna bother looking up HDCF/A%

Our cycle game in the Ozone & boardwork in our Dzone need a lot of work. We don't seem to have the D that can handle heavy forecheck + Big bodied F's.

 

[FMichael]

Tough 3rd for Bert

It was...My initial comment was a tad too harsh...Personally I see Bert along the lines of a Marty Lapointe...Solid in his skates, enjoys the physical play, and has that knack for those 'greasy goals' around the net, but isn't overly graceful with his stickhandling, nor passing as others.

 

[Gniwder]

Without any secondary scoring this will be common. If you can shut down the first line against Detroit, you're probably going to win. And the Defense definitely looks inexperienced.

Most of the turnovers in the D zone were committed by forwards, Bert with the worst one.

They all look inexperienced, because well they are.

If only Helm could actually score, I think he had the most looks.

 

[Gniwder]

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Not gonna bother looking up HDCF/A%

Yeah, a lot of FO losses on the PP, wasted tons of time.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

At least AA, Larkin & Hronek got a point. Looking at our lineup, we may only have 4F's that break 30pts this year, w/Hirose, maybe 5.

3rd game in 4 nights might've had a bit to do with the loss.

 

[Gniwder]

I hate to say it but I think Hirose needs to sit a game, put Svech in. Keep LGD on the second line, he's still playing hard.

 

[DatsDeking]

How’s Hirose been playing? I haven’t been able to catch a single game since I’m out of network Last I saw, he was a speedy Helm-esque winger with more playmaking. What are his weak spots right now?

 

[vladdy16]

Loved the coaching. Structure has been great, and showed adaptability and guts tonight.

Cholowski and Hronek shouldered a heavy load in the 2nd half of the game, and held up pretty well.

Losing Nielsons positioning, combined with Hirose and Erne, etc really struggling to win or keep pucks, combined with early season conditioning and the top line being worn down, we just couldnt get to the finish line.

Mtl is a winnable game if we get our legs back, and maybe a spark/addition somewhere on the wing.

Really impressed with the coaching so far. Loved our attack against Gibson tonight, slap passes and ankle biters etc.

Confident we can bring back that winger trap and bludgeon Mtl.

 

[vladdy16]

It was...My initial comment was a tad too harsh...Personally I see Bert along the lines of a Marty Lapointe...Solid in his skates, enjoys the physical play, and has that knack for those 'greasy goals' around the net, but isn't overly graceful with his stickhandling, nor passing as others.

I think it's more of a Holmstrom/Vanek situation. Not athletic enough to maneuver at high speed, but in tight he has underrated mitts and high level awareness of how to protect or advance a puck. That stuff is beyond what Lapointe was imo.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

It was...My initial comment was a tad too harsh...Personally I see Bert along the lines of a Marty Lapointe...Solid in his skates, enjoys the physical play, and has that knack for those 'greasy goals' around the net, but isn't overly graceful with his stickhandling, nor passing as others.

I think that's a little unfair...Martin Lapointe was a 4th liner who got lucky playing on a stacked team that could get him points.

Bertuzzi is at least a second liner on his own merits, and he is still developing.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

We need our own Rage Room like the Flyers just got.

This was too funny not to share...meanwhile in Philly.

 

[MBH]

A lot better than Gator, but be aware of who you're on ice with. Long shift and Anaheim's top unit has jumped on, you shouldn't be dancing around with Getzlaf and Rakell closing space on you bad things will happen.

Youngster got burned by a veteran. It happens.

 

[MBH]

I think that's a little unfair...Martin Lapointe was a 4th liner who got lucky playing on a stacked team that could get him points.

Bertuzzi is at least a second liner on his own merits, and he is still developing.

Marty Lapointe was better than a fourth liner.

 

[Bondurant]

RIP Undefeated Season
October 5, 2019 - October 8, 2019

 

[MBH]

I think it's more of a Holmstrom/Vanek situation. Not athletic enough to maneuver at high speed, but in tight he has underrated mitts and high level awareness of how to protect or advance a puck. That stuff is beyond what Lapointe was imo.

Lapointe was a classic 1990s early 2000s power forward. Good shot. Decent skills. Heavy/hard hitter who could fight and fight his way though the clutch and grab hockey of the day.
Bert is nowhere near as tough as Lapointe, but I can kind of see the comparison. Bert has better hockey vision. Skates a little better too, relative to his era.
Lapointe was rougher, tougher and nastier.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Marty Lapointe was better than a fourth liner.

The fact that he was out of the NHL at age 33 and averaged less than .38 points per game indicates otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I liked Lapointe, but he wasn't a scoring line forward. He was a dependable third/fourth line tweener and the fact that his stats plummeted off a cliff when he left Detroit speaks to that fact.

I think calling him a power forward is a bit of a stretch. He was an energy line guy, who could play every night in the NHL, land some decent checks, and chip in a few goals. Wings fans have a tendency to romanticize the late 90s teams. Even looking at ATOI, Lapointe's best season was 17 min/game and his career average is 14. Those 17 minutes, and his best season stat-wise, was in 00-01, a contract year where he also benefitted from Yzerman, Verbeek, and Larionov missing significant time. That's fourth line ice time.

 

[Martinez]

Pretty fun game. That goal called back was a killer. Hitting all those posts also hurt. Wouldn’t say our first line was shut down.

 

[MBH]

The fact that he was out of the NHL at age 33 and averaged less than .38 points per game indicates otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I liked Lapointe, but he wasn't a scoring line forward. He was a dependable third/fourth line tweener and the fact that his stats plummeted off a cliff when he left Detroit speaks to that fact.

His last year in the NHL, he was 34 on opening night.
After leaving Detroit, he was consistently a 13-15 goal, 25-40 point guy.
He played 14-15 minutes a night until he was 33.

I think you're not distinguishing between 3rd and 4th liners.
A decent third liner plays 14-15 minutes and scores 10-15 goals and 25-40 points.

A fourth liner, like say Sean Brown or Rob Zamuner PJ Stock (his teammates in Boston), playes 6-12 minutes and scores 6 to 16 points.

Or in Chicago (where he was named captain), that fourth liner might be Jim Dowd, or Karl Stewart or any number of guys.

 

[Mlotek]

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Not gonna bother looking up HDCF/A%

Our cycle game in the Ozone & boardwork in our Dzone need a lot of work. We don't seem to have the D that can handle heavy forecheck + Big bodied F's.

Despite what TSN claims, giveaways are NOT turnovers.

Giveaway is someone taking the puck off your stick and maintaining possesion.

For example, sending a pass directly to the opposition, IS NOT a giveaway. If it was, Ericsson would lead the league in turnovers for the past 4-5 years.

 

[FMichael]

Marty Lapointe was better than a fourth liner.

Indeed...I see more similarities than differences with these two.