Just A Bit Outside
Playoffs??!
- Mar 6, 2010
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Odds of a trade with Florida either late tomorrow night or Wednesday if we lose to the Panthers?
I say 50/50.
I say 50/50.
The term must win at the 22 game mark is a tad overkill but ya it's pretty important not to lose too much ground here, 3 points behind the # 8 team in the conference and that team has 3 games in hand.
Their luck should change right?
opendoor and MS are both suggesting we're losing games because of goaltending lately.
No, it's more that they're not winning games on the back of their goaltending which is worrying given the amount of resources they've devoted to that area.
Here's the percentage of Canucks games over the last few seasons where their goaltending kept the opposition to either 1 or 0 GF:
10-11: 39.0%
11-12: 30.5%
12-13: 37.5%
13-14: 9.1%
Wasn't Lu tied for the lead in shutouts as of yesterday?Sure on any given night it's a little much to expect a shutout or a 1 GA game, but when it basically never happens, there's something wrong. Given how much the Canucks are controlling the play this year, I don't think it's the least bit unreasonable to expect the goalies to almost completely shut down the opposition once every 3-4 games on average instead of the once every 11 games they've done it so far this season.
Obviously their scoring is a huge issue as well, but it's a separate one. And even with the scoring drying up, the goaltending should still be able to get them the odd point. Like I said in the other thread, the Canucks got 14 points in 48 games last season in games where they scored 1 or 0 goals; so far this year they have 1 point through 22 games.
In terms of caphit?
We're just above $6m. Doesn't seem like an outrageous amount, quite a few teams pay more.
Interesting, I just don't see why it matters. I prefer to pull the undefeated in regulation when scoring two or more.
Wasn't Lu tied for the lead in shutouts as of yesterday?
I don't even know why that matters. I really don't. Seems arbitrary.
I could care less how many points we get when we don't score, I care more about scoring.
When we score 2 or more (13 games) we're 11-0-2
When we score less we're 0-8-1
We score 1 or less 41% of the time, thats awful.
It's plain and simple, when we score we pick up points, when we only score 1, we don't.
Goaltending didn't sink us against the Kings, Ducks, Blue Jackets, Stars or the most recent Sharks game. I can't recall the other games, but SCORING IS THE PROBLEM.
We are losing games because we can't score.
It seems like every year, this is the thinking around the 20-game, 40-game, 60-game marks, etc. "oh they don't matter yet". But at the end of the year, there's always a team that came this close despite some insane run at the end of the year, and they look back and go "if only we'd been better at the start/quarter mark/middle mark/etc".
Bottom line - they may not feel important now, but a win in November is worth the same as a win in March.
(this comment isn't directed at you so much as the point of view in general)
It seems like every year, this is the thinking around the 20-game, 40-game, 60-game marks, etc. "oh they don't matter yet". But at the end of the year, there's always a team that came this close despite some insane run at the end of the year, and they look back and go "if only we'd been better at the start/quarter mark/middle mark/etc".
Bottom line - they may not feel important now, but a win in November is worth the same as a win in March.
(this comment isn't directed at you so much as the point of view in general)
No, it's more that they're not winning games on the back of their goaltending which is worrying given the amount of resources they've devoted to that area.
Here's the percentage of Canucks games over the last few seasons where their goaltending kept the opposition to either 1 or 0 GF:
10-11: 39.0%
11-12: 30.5%
12-13: 37.5%
13-14: 9.1%
Sure on any given night it's a little much to expect a shutout or a 1 GA game, but when it basically never happens, there's something wrong. Given how much the Canucks are controlling the play this year, I don't think it's the least bit unreasonable to expect the goalies to almost completely shut down the opposition once every 3-4 games on average instead of the once every 11 games they've done it so far this season.
Obviously their scoring is a huge issue as well, but it's a separate one. And even with the scoring drying up, the goaltending should still be able to get them the odd point. Like I said in the other thread, the Canucks got 14 points in 48 games last season in games where they scored 1 or 0 goals; so far this year they have 1 point through 22 games.
The key is to out-shoot the other team badly... oh wait.if we don't score more than 1 goal in this one...
I guess it's our goalies fault we can't score. If only we had Brodeur we'd have a goal scoring goalie who can contribute on the PP.
Hopefully Luongo does his job tomorrow and provides some secondary scoring. If he doesn't, well let's not blame our top line because our goalie didn't produce the secondary scoring they need.
Strombone@strombone1Ignoring the fact that Thomas was on the winning side of that series, I was just appalled at how he managed to come out of that looking like the good guy whereas Luongo was cast in the villain's light. On Luongo's side of the ledger, you have the "pumping tires" thing. On Thomas's side, you have him throwing checks at incoming forwards (which is a penalty, but wasn't called) hacking at opposing players with his stick and then fighting them, etc. etc...to say nothing of his eventual nutjob views on the world that came out later.
I want this guy lit up. Hard. The offense needs to put its foot on the gas pedal for this one.
Schneider provided the team with elite goaltending, even last year and the year before in systems that were much harder to play in. Luongo also was able to do this in earlier years, but his level appears to be dropping
Which part of this is inaccurate?
I guess it's our goalies fault we can't score. If only we had Brodeur we'd have a goal scoring goalie who can contribute on the PP.
Hopefully Luongo does his job tomorrow and provides some secondary scoring. If he doesn't, well let's not blame our top line because our goalie didn't produce the secondary scoring they need.
The way the season has gone so far:
Offence: creating a ton of chances/shots, not able to score. Have had a lot of pressure but are missing chances, they need to improve on scoring
Defence: stellar, really limiting the oppositions chances and shots on goal. Honestly the best I've seen this team defensively in a long time, might have a lot to do with them not being asked to do everything like they were under AV (hence why they have been healthier, strain is no on the forwards to forecheck hard and backcheck as hard to maintain gaps....all while having to come deep into their end to breakout)
Contrast that to our stretched out breakouts from last season where the d was forced to hurry up ice after a neutral zone tip in, off a stretch pass, to cover the gap.
Goaltending: average, save the easy shots but not stopping enough of the few scoring chances they face. Routinely being outplayed by the opposition and they'll need to be better. Schneider provided the team with elite goaltending, even last year and the year before in systems that were much harder to play in. Luongo also was able to do this in earlier years, but his level appears to be dropping
Which part of this is inaccurate?
Despite his start he finished with a .927%, elite numbers. The season before that a .937%Schneider did not consistently provide the team with elite goaltending - his start of the season last year was worse than Luongo's this year imo. He was also a huge part of our playoff exit. Luongo was much better at the start of last season as well as in the playoffs.
Luongo has been below his usual standards this year, but it's far from a reason to assume he won't round into form, and bringing up Schneider doesn't really do anything either.
The Canucks are currently 3 points out of a play-off spot in the West.
In the East they would be tied in points for second place, 3 points out of first in the East.
In terms of caphit?
We're just above $6m. Doesn't seem like an outrageous amount, quite a few teams pay more.
Interesting, I just don't see why it matters. I prefer to pull the undefeated in regulation when scoring two or more.
Wasn't Lu tied for the lead in shutouts as of yesterday?
I don't even know why that matters. I really don't. Seems arbitrary.
I could care less how many points we get when we don't score, I care more about scoring.
When we score 2 or more (13 games) we're 11-0-2
When we score less we're 0-8-1
We score 1 or less 41% of the time, thats awful.
It's plain and simple, when we score we pick up points, when we only score 1, we don't.
Goaltending didn't sink us against the Kings, Ducks, Blue Jackets, Stars or the most recent Sharks game. I can't recall the other games, but SCORING IS THE PROBLEM.
We are losing games because we can't score.
Despite his start he finished with a .927%, elite numbers. The season before that a .937%
Luongo in comparison has posted .919% and .909% on the exact same teams. This season he is at .912%.
I think his numbers will improve, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's playing on a goaltender friendly team right now. He isn't being asked to do much right now, and is still posting below average numbers. There has been no difference between his play and his backup rookie, and it may be a matter of time before Lack overtakes him too.
Despite his start he finished with a .927%, elite numbers. The season before that a .937%
Luongo in comparison has posted .919% and .909% on the exact same teams. This season he is at .912%.
I think his numbers will improve, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's playing on a goaltender friendly team right now. He isn't being asked to do much right now, and is still posting below average numbers. There has been no difference between his play and his backup rookie, and it may be a matter of time before Lack overtakes him too.