Future Relocation Possibilities

Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by Valhuen, Apr 15, 2011.

View Users: View Users
  1. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    With the PHX/WPG move looking more and more likely, over the next few years what other relocations do you see as being likely? While I believe the health of the NHL at large is very good, there are still problem spots that need to be addressed in the short-term.

    So, what teams do you see moving, and where to?

    Atlanta and Florida are probably the two most glaring, with the Islanders still facing a lot of uncertainty. Possible locations where teams may land? People mention Vegas frequently, and though that would be Bettman's wet-dream, Vegas is worse off than Phoenix the last few years, in addition it is a major transient city, so I don't see how viable season ticket sales would be. Quebec City and Kansas City seem like possible, healthy, options. Southern Ontario as well. Could Portland support a team (though the Winterhawks do well, can't really see that as a benchmark), or Seattle if a building was in place?

    Speculative I know, but just curious what others think.
     
  2. Made Dan

    Made Dan Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    14,477
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Location:
    The Bronx, NY
    The Islanders I really cannot see moving. Too much history, and I believe they sold out every game down the stretch. Florida can draw the crowds, as they proved a few years back...I'd give them until they start winning, and if the attendance doesn't improve then move them. The only team right now that I'd agree with moving is Atlanta. I'd love to see Quebec get their team back.
     
  3. KevFist

    KevFist is best pony

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2006
    Messages:
    5,100
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Musician, Writer
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Home Page:
    So you'd keep a team in place based on the fact that crowds used to come when they were winning, but you'd move a team thats never had the chance to win?
     
  4. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    I agree regarding the Isles history, but sans the Lighthouse project and Wang's mismanagement? I really think they face an uphill climb, but I certainly want to see them stay. Agree on Quebec, the Nords should be back long before any other location is considered.
     
  5. Jeffrey93

    Jeffrey93 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,325
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    101
    So....what happens when 40 years from now they still haven't done any substantial winning?
     
  6. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    Yay...this thread again.
     
  7. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    If the Thrashers still haven't won a playoff game in 40 years, Moosenut can have 'em.
     
  8. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    Is not Atlanta the next issue on the NHL's agenda that "needs to be addressed"? I'm not conveying an opinion one way or the other here, just appears from the outside looking in that the Thrashers are facing difficulties ahead.
     
  9. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    Yes, and there's an entire thread (we're on part 3 now) discussing this. All this does is create ANOTHER Atlanta hockey market debate. This has been discussed plenty.
     
  10. KevFist

    KevFist is best pony

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2006
    Messages:
    5,100
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Musician, Writer
    Location:
    Birmingham, AL
    Home Page:
    There's already 50 million threads on Atlanta and billions of opinions.
     
  11. Jeffrey93

    Jeffrey93 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,325
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Yup...and if you start talking about relocation in it...people get angry.
     
  12. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    People debate. Like you and I have for about a year now.

    Side note: I saw you and Ghost debating on Winnipeg a day or two ago. My first thought: Super powers collide!! It's like Lex Luthor Vs. The Joker!! :)
     
  13. Jeffrey93

    Jeffrey93 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,325
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Can I be the Joker? Or is that implied?
     
  14. HabsByTheBay

    HabsByTheBay Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    54
    Location:
    London
    Isles = Hawks under Dollar Bill.
     
  15. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    :handclap::laugh:

    Well done.
     
  16. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    By no means did I create this thread to put a laser beam exclusively on the Thrashers, I am mainly looking for opinions on future possibilities and viable market alternatives down the road for any teams that may find relocation a reality.
     
  17. AtlantaWhaler

    AtlantaWhaler Thrash/Preds/Sabres

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,642
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    125
    I understand, but there will be countless posts about moving them and it always breaks into the same old debate.
     
  18. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    Understood, they undeniably have a target on their back in the press, and probably more so once the 'Yotes have moved.
     
  19. Grudy0

    Grudy0 Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,748
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Location:
    Maryland
    Sure, but assuming it is all but a done deal for the Coyotes to head back home, the only difference between a month ago and a month from now is that the Thrashers cannot be moved to Winnipeg. Otherwise, it is the same old Thrashers, and the first order of business is to fix the ownership group.

    The only other team in the west I see possibly moving is the Columbus Blue Jackets.

    The teams in the east besides the Thrashers are the Panthers and Islanders, although the Isles have one of the largest local TV contracts so moving out of the area may not be an option.

    Destinations can include any of:

    Site-Ready:
    Kansas City (brand-spanking-new arena only needs ownership group)
    Portland (especially if Paul Allen involved)
    Houston (if the owner of the NBA's Rockets are involved)

    Site needed:
    Quebec (new arena being built and ownership group appears to be setup)

    Wild-Cards:
    Hamilton (wondering if Balsillie can be reformed)
    Seattle (NBA must go back once new building is ready, why not NHL?)
    Phoenix (deep-pocketed owner ready for round 2?)
     
  20. Fidel Astro

    Fidel Astro Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2010
    Messages:
    1,329
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    100
    Location:
    Winnipeg, MB
    Home Page:
    Assuming the Coyotes go to Winnipeg and the Thrashers go to Quebec (don't freak out, Thrashers fans, this is just a hypothetical situation), is there really anyone left who is in that dire need to be relocated?

    I mean, I know a lot of people like to bring up the Panthers, and while I would be happy to see them relocate to a more northern city, is there any evidence that something like that is in danger of happening?

    I'm just asking because I remember seeing Florida threads in the past that mainly focused on the ridiculousness of their ticket prices/failed attempts at getting butts in the seats, but not a lot of actual information like "(name of owner) is considering selling in 201_, or "arena lease coming up soon" or anything that could hint at the potential for a move.

    As for the Islanders, I can't see them moving. I really can't. They're going through a pretty severe rough patch, but they obviously have historical precedent showing that they can, indeed, be successful on and off-ice. A dry spell, no matter how long it lasts, is quite different from a team that has been a perennial turd.
     
  21. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    Good points, much of this depends on where the economy goes from here, and changing demographics also play a major concern few openly discuss (one of the issues facing ATL for example). In the southern markets these are issues to be sure, what would happen in places like NSH or TB if those teams went through long losing droughts? Right now support is looking up in some areas, while question marks remain in others (such as ATL and long-term for FLA).

    If we ever enter a "post-Bettman" age of more traditional ownership in true hockey markets it would be interesting to see. If we do get to that point I would even support contraction to 28 teams and go back to four divisions (of 7 teams each). The only thing that does bother me is this incessant drive into non-traditional markets that Bettman has been forcing (mainly due to attracting that lucrative TV deal that has never materialized). If and when PHX heads back north, I think this may (hopefully) signal a significant strategic shift for the NHL.

    Besides, there are still a few locations left in the US up north with a firm hockey tradition far more viable than plowing into other potential disastrous markets such as Vegas. Would love to see a team back home in the PNW for example (either Portland or Seattle). For Canada, obviously Quebec and possibly Hamilton/London/Kitchener/etc. Outside of there, and the talk of a second team in the GTA, where else could a team in Canada go? Saskatoon is not large enough IMHO.
     
  22. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    I can tell you that honestly I don't see that happening. If the Yotes move, well there would have to be a significant chain of events to occur before the NHL could ever be viable here again in AZ. This is just not a hockey state (unfortunately), there is little tradition. Even at the collegiate level all we have are shoddy club teams not even officially sanctioned at the NCAA level. I really need to get out of here........:help:
     
  23. Pitlick*

    Pitlick* Guest

    If the Islanders move I think it will just be down the street to somewhere else on the Island like Queens or Brooklyn.

    Quebec City is next for sure. Rich owners, solid arena plan, serviceable temporary arena.

    If Southern Ontario ever gets another team, it will be expansion, so the NHL / Leafs / Sabres can squeeze maximum $$$ from the new owner.
     
  24. Shawa666

    Shawa666 Registered User

    Joined:
    May 25, 2010
    Messages:
    1,602
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Québec, Qc, Ca
    Possible right now

    Winnipeg is the best bet for now, They have fan interest, a NHL ready arena, and a NHL approved owner waiting for green light

    Quebec has fan interest, an owner solid enough to get NHL approval. The NHL has stated that the Colisée can do the job until the new Arena is built.

    Might work, not right now

    Kansas City: Sprint Center is NHL ready. Now ownership group has manifested itself publicly so far, AFAIK. Local interest has not been demonstrated, Market for sports might be saturated, for a city of this size.

    Portland: Rose garden might work, I'm not sure. There is interest in the game, demonstrated by high WHL attendence. Ownership is the question here.

    Houston: The Oilers almost moved here. Owner of the Rockets and Toyota Center possibly still interested. Aeros' attendence aren't that bad.
     
  25. Valhuen

    Valhuen Secretary of Defense

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tucson via Spokane
    Truly pulling for a return of the Nords and the old Adams division. Thinking on that, if this did come to pass, what would the Northeast look like? Someone would need to get moved elsewhere which would truly hurt many deep rivalries.

    Portland is also viable if Paul Allen is involved (as Grudy mentioned above), he certainly has the money and influence to pull it off.
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"