Speculation: future number one defenseman
- Thread starter lilidk
- Start date
I love Cholowski and Hronek, but neither of them will ever be a true #1 D.
The Zermanator
In Yzerman We Trust
- Jan 21, 2013
- 3,391
- 1,200
Didn't vote in the poll because I don't think any of the options fit.
I doubt either Cholowski or Hronek have it in them, but I think they could both develop into a good #2 if paired with a good #1.
Looks like we'll probably be getting a forward with our high pick this year so unless we get a dman with our likely high pick in 2020 then not sure that drafting will be the route. Because I think the 2020-21 season we will begin to rise again.
And we simply don't have the assets to acquire a #1 through trade short of unloading Larkin+ which obviously won't happen.
So the reason I didn't vote was because I think our best chance of acquiring a #1 is through free agency. I want Karlsson, even at an overpayment. Very rare for a top 5 dman to hit the open market. Fortunately if he re-signs in SJ or with another team Trouba is coming up in the next offseason. But Karlsson is the guy for me, an undisputed #1 and one of the best as well, if not the best.
I doubt either Cholowski or Hronek have it in them, but I think they could both develop into a good #2 if paired with a good #1.
Looks like we'll probably be getting a forward with our high pick this year so unless we get a dman with our likely high pick in 2020 then not sure that drafting will be the route. Because I think the 2020-21 season we will begin to rise again.
And we simply don't have the assets to acquire a #1 through trade short of unloading Larkin+ which obviously won't happen.
So the reason I didn't vote was because I think our best chance of acquiring a #1 is through free agency. I want Karlsson, even at an overpayment. Very rare for a top 5 dman to hit the open market. Fortunately if he re-signs in SJ or with another team Trouba is coming up in the next offseason. But Karlsson is the guy for me, an undisputed #1 and one of the best as well, if not the best.
Last edited:
Henkka
Registered User
50% for trade or UFA
20% for Cholowski
20% for Hronek
5% for McIsaac
5% it's somebody else through a draft.
20% for Cholowski
20% for Hronek
5% for McIsaac
5% it's somebody else through a draft.
Last edited:
Unfriendly Ghost
Kasper
Cholowski is a good young player, but being a true #1 is a huge step up for almost anyone. It's not a reasonable expectation, IMO.
Same for Hronek.
Same for Hronek.
Hammettf2b
oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg
How about we sign one in Erik Karlsson
Frk It
Mo Seider Less Problems
- Jul 27, 2010
- 36,242
- 14,747
I’m hoping next year we draft Justin Barron or Jamie Drysdale to finish our future D core.
Then you could see a future top 4 like:
(2) Cholowski-Drysdale (1)
(4) McIsaac- Hronek (3)
Then you could see a future top 4 like:
(2) Cholowski-Drysdale (1)
(4) McIsaac- Hronek (3)
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
One Erik Karlsson or Jacob Trouba would be sweet.
He's not an elite #1, but I'm still foolishly hoping for Trouba.
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
Is Jamie Drysdale considered the #1 D man available? He might be a nice add if we miss out on Hughes/ Kakko/Dach or Cozens.
Hammettf2b
oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg
I thought I heard the team will be focusing on forwards in the first round. Can anyone confirm this. Pretty sure I read this not too long ago.
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
Yeah i saw the same thing, That Detroit would be looking at only forwards in the 1st round. Probably D from the 2nd on.
Mister Ed
Registered User
- Dec 21, 2008
- 5,256
- 969
Maybe you got it mixed up with Carolina?
“We won't be drafting defence in the first round as long as I’m here. I’ve got to have more offense, I want to lose five to four, not two to one. If we lose five to four, at least I’ll have fun”.
- Tom Dundon, Carolina Hurricanes owner
LINK
Frk It
Mo Seider Less Problems
- Jul 27, 2010
- 36,242
- 14,747
I was referring to the 2020 Draft. I think Drysdale and Barron have top pairing potential.
Number1RedWingsFan52
Registered User
Henkka
Registered User
Teams with youngest 1st defencemen are not playoff teams. This is a KILLER FACT.
If somebody thinks that our 1st defenceman will come from 2019, 2020, 2021 drafts, prepare not seeing the playoffs for next ~6-7-8 seasons.
Almost all contenders are having in-prime or veteran defences, and rebuilding teams with kid defences are year-after-year outside of the playoff contention.
Our solution to match with the current kid core with age is not draft, it's a trade or free agency. Or some huge jump from Cholowski/Hronek/McIsaac.
That's possible, that we draft a high-potential defenceman at 2019-2020-2021, but we will use him as trade bait for a proven 1st D. That drafted guy himself won't ever be a Red Wings, when we are contending again. Our contending will happen earlier, with a different guy than that drafted kid.
If somebody thinks that our 1st defenceman will come from 2019, 2020, 2021 drafts, prepare not seeing the playoffs for next ~6-7-8 seasons.
Almost all contenders are having in-prime or veteran defences, and rebuilding teams with kid defences are year-after-year outside of the playoff contention.
Our solution to match with the current kid core with age is not draft, it's a trade or free agency. Or some huge jump from Cholowski/Hronek/McIsaac.
That's possible, that we draft a high-potential defenceman at 2019-2020-2021, but we will use him as trade bait for a proven 1st D. That drafted guy himself won't ever be a Red Wings, when we are contending again. Our contending will happen earlier, with a different guy than that drafted kid.
Last edited:
TCNorthstars
Registered User
Out of those choices I'm going with Cholo. He may be in over his head like DDK was, but if those are our only options, Cholo is the #1.
ricky0034
Registered User
- Jun 8, 2010
- 15,037
- 7,243
they can be the #1 on the team in 4-5 years while not being a true #1 they aren't mutually exclusive
personally I think in 4-5 years Cholowski is the #1 defenseman on the team and I also don't think he'll ever be a "true" #1
I don't think the Wings get one of those until they eventually draft one in another decade or two
Unfriendly Ghost
Kasper
I think that's for this year. Which is understandable, because the Wings project to pick before any defensemen would be appropriate value. I like Bowen Byram's game, but he's a solid step or two away from Cozens/Dach/Podkolzin.
Henkka
Registered User
And when we will have surplus of forwards, we could be ready for a trade for a defenceman.
TheOtherOne
Registered User
- Jan 2, 2010
- 8,274
- 5,270
Lindstrom.
I don't know anything about him but his name, but I'm confident he'll be our #1 for a long time.
I don't know anything about him but his name, but I'm confident he'll be our #1 for a long time.
Cholowski absolutely has the tools to be a #1 defenseman.
Go Wings
Registered User
I went with Hronek, mostly because I just like his game a bit more than Cholo's. Maybe we sign a #1 through UFA, but I don't think we get a guy a like that. Instead, the Wings will look at a blueline by committee. Sign someone like Gardiner this summer, a similar level player next summer, and build a blueline of guys who are but not great and who all can eat ~20 minutes a night.
DetroitRed
Crashes the Crease
What I really am starting to love about Cholowki are the little things, like how he's getting good at keeping the puck in the opponent's zone. Man, is that something I've missed seeing the last six or seven seasons. I could almost cry! I can remember when we didn't even have a guy on the squad who could make an outlet pass.
Hronek could become well known for his offense and I love watching him play already. However, in recent years, one of Detroit's most talented players was a defender who was an all-star because of his offensive production, but it still didn't make him a #1. Not even on Detroit which had issues with defenders.
Notwithstanding, four to five years is enough time to draft another one or two more, develop them and have them playing on a first pair. Nobody knows how the drafts will go, where you will end up, who you will get. It just depends.
I think you only trade for one if all else fails one but that still assumes you're ready to make that kind of move after 4-5 more years of rebuilding. With the way the lottery is, who knows? You might not even have enough offense at that point.
Edit: I voted draft.
Hronek could become well known for his offense and I love watching him play already. However, in recent years, one of Detroit's most talented players was a defender who was an all-star because of his offensive production, but it still didn't make him a #1. Not even on Detroit which had issues with defenders.
Notwithstanding, four to five years is enough time to draft another one or two more, develop them and have them playing on a first pair. Nobody knows how the drafts will go, where you will end up, who you will get. It just depends.
I think you only trade for one if all else fails one but that still assumes you're ready to make that kind of move after 4-5 more years of rebuilding. With the way the lottery is, who knows? You might not even have enough offense at that point.
Edit: I voted draft.
Last edited:
