Fun facts: Takeaway and Giveawy Stats - Defense

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Fun fact. 5 of our starting 6 blue line are in the top-10 in giveaways among defenseman in the NHL right now:

1. Gunnar
3. Reilly
7. Ranger
8. Franson
10. Phaneuf

Compounded by an additional 3 players in the top-15 of all players forwards included:

1. Gunnar
3. Reilly
7. Kessel
8. Lupul
9. Kadri
11. Ranger
12. Franson
14. Phaneuf

Yes - these stats aren't perfect. Yes, we also have 4 players in the top 30 in takeaways - Bozak, Rielly, Ranger, and Franson. Our defensemen alone have more giveaways in total (66) than 20 other teams do in total.


Team | HomeGP | RoadGP | TotalGP | HomeG/a | RoadG/a | HomeG/a/GP | RoadG/a/GP

SAN JOSE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 64 | 12 | 12.8 | 4.3
PITTSBURGH | 5 | 3 | 8 | 26 | 20 | 5.2 | 1.7
TORONTO | 5 | 4 | 9 | 105 | 29 | 21.0 | 5.3
COLORADO | 4 | 4 | 8 | 26 | 32 | 6.5 | 1.6
PHOENIX | 3 | 6 | 9 | 13 | 54 | 4.3 | 0.7
VANCOUVER | 4 | 5 | 9 | 24 | 29 | 6.0 | 1.2
ST LOUIS | 5 | 2 | 7 | 13 | 14 | 2.6 | 1.3
MONTREAL | 4 | 4 | 8 | 22 | 30 | 5.5 | 1.4
EDMONTON | 3 | 6 | 9 | 41 | 46 | 13.7 | 2.3
TAMPA BAY | 5 | 3 | 8 | 43 | 11 | 8.6 | 2.9
NY ISLANDERS | 5 | 3 | 8 | 50 | 20 | 10.0 | 3.3
DETROIT | 4 | 5 | 9 | 44 | 38 | 11.0 | 2.2
ANAHEIM | 4 | 3 | 7 | 40 | 18 | 10.0 | 3.3
CALGARY | 3 | 4 | 7 | 34 | 27 | 11.3 | 2.8
CAROLINA | 5 | 4 | 9 | 52 | 20 | 10.4 | 2.6
CHICAGO | 6 | 2 | 8 | 66 | 5 | 11.0 | 5.5
LOS ANGELES | 3 | 6 | 9 | 37 | 26 | 12.3 | 2.1
OTTAWA | 2 | 6 | 8 | 13 | 57 | 6.5 | 1.1
BOSTON | 4 | 3 | 7 | 30 | 15 | 7.5 | 2.5
WINNIPEG | 6 | 2 | 8 | 69 | 21 | 11.5 | 5.8
WASHINGTON | 6 | 2 | 8 | 52 | 6 | 8.7 | 4.3
FLORIDA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 23 | 24 | 5.8 | 1.2
MINNESOTA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 35 | 25 | 8.8 | 1.8
NEW JERSEY | 2 | 6 | 8 | 24 | 36 | 12.0 | 2.0
DALLAS | 3 | 4 | 7 | 26 | 35 | 8.7 | 2.2
NASHVILLE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 46 | 11 | 9.2 | 3.1
COLUMBUS | 2 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 38 | 4.0 | 0.8
BUFFALO | 6 | 4 | 10 | 47 | 32 | 7.8 | 2.0
PHILADELPHIA | 5 | 3 | 8 | 40 | 24 | 8.0 | 2.7
NY RANGERS | 0 | 7 | 7 | 0 | 44 | 0.0 | 0.0
Avg | | | | | | 9.1 | 2.1

Thoughts?


How can you look at a chart that says 21 at home vs. 5 on the road and NOT acknowledge the ACC scorer?
 

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How can you look at a chart that says 21 at home vs. 5 on the road and NOT acknowledge the ACC scorer?
I'm assuming he's saying every home team is more than the away but is ignoring how much more the home team is compared to the away for every team
 

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Nope.

The Stats are valid at home....if you disagree then track them your self...I do. We have more giveaways on the road then it states and it seems that the stats person focus more on the home teams giveaways and take aways...as that who is paying them.
The ACC guy very well may be doing it right, but then every other one is doing it wrong because as bad as the leafs have been with the puck over 88 more times than the Florida Panthers.
 

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How can you look at a chart that says 21 at home vs. 5 on the road and NOT acknowledge the ACC scorer?

Because within the context of the rest of the league it's average. Slightly below it, actually. See the problem is I'm not *just* looking at the 21 vs 5 - that's why I posted the entire league table.

TieClark said:
I'm assuming he's saying every home team is more than the away but is ignoring how much more the home team is compared to the away for every team

lol what? Look, THAT IS THE DATA. I'm neither ignoring nor emphasizing anything - I'm just observing that the league averages a ratio of over 4:1 in home vs away giveaways, and that the Leafs are simply consistent with that ratio. The whole purpose of posting the league table is to illustrate how different home stats across the league are from away - how am I ignoring this?

To me, this means:

1. The drunk ACC argument doesn't hold
2. The NHL has a serious issue with home vs away stat coding reliability/consistency
3. Despite these league issues, most teams are tighter playing away than they are home
4. The Leafs give a LOT of pucks away
 

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The ACC guy very well may be doing it right, but then every other one is doing it wrong because as bad as the leafs have been with the puck over 88 more times than the Florida Panthers.

What does this mean??





Diceman934 - since you track this on your own, care to share more of your data with us on giveaways? That would help!
 

zeke

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not that I don't trust your numbers, but if the leafs have 29 road giveaways in 4 road games, then that's 7.25/gm, not 5.3/gm.


so let me double check all of them:

Road Giveaways:

1.WPG: 21 (2gms) - 10.50/gm
2.OTT: 57 (6gms) - 9.50/gm
3.PHX: 54 (6gms) - 9.00/gm
4.DAL: 35 (4gms) - 8.75/gm
5.COL: 32 (4gms) - 8.00/gm
6.BUF: 32 (4gms) - 8.00/gm
7.PHI: 24 (3gms) - 8.00/gm
8.EDM: 46 (6gms) - 7.67/gm
9.DET: 38 (5gms) - 7.60/gm
10.CLM: 38 (5gms) - 7.60/gm
11.MTL: 30 (4gms) - 7.50/gm
12.TOR: 29 (4gms) - 7.25/gm
13.STL: 14 (2gms) - 7.00/gm
14.CAL: 27 (4gms) - 6.75/gm
15.PIT: 20 (3gms) - 6.67/gm
16.NYI: 20 (3gms) - 6.67/gm
17.NYR: 44 (7gms) - 6.29/gm
18.NJD: 36 (6gms) - 6.00/gm
19.ANA: 18 (3gms) - 6.00/gm
20.VAN: 29 (5gms) - 5.80/gm
21.MIN: 25 (5gms) - 5.00/gm
22.CAR: 20 (4gms) - 5.00/gm
23.BOS: 15 (3gms) - 5.00/gm
24.FLA: 24 (5gms) - 4.80/gm
25.LAK: 26 (6gms) - 4.33/gm
26.SJS: 12 (3gms) - 4.00/gm
27.TBL: 11 (3gms) - 3.67/gm
28.NAS: 11 (3gms) - 3.67/gm
29.WAS: 6 (2gms) - 3.00/gm
30.CHI: 5 (2gms) - 2.50/gm


Home Giveaways:

1.TOR: 105 (5gms) - 21.00/gm
2.EDM: 41 (3gms): 13.67/gm
3.SJS: 64 (5gms): 12.80/gm
4.LAK: 37 (3gms) - 12.33/gm
5.NJD: 24 (2gms) - 12.00/gm
6.WPG: 69 (6gms) - 11.50/gm
7.CAL: 34 (3gms) - 11.33/gm
8.CHI: 66 (6gms) - 11.00/gm
9.DET: 44 (4gms) - 11.00/gm
10.CAR: 52 (5gms) - 10.40/gm
11.NYI: 50 (5gms) - 10.00/gm
12.ANA: 40 (4gms) - 10.00/gm
13.NAS: 46 (5gms) - 9.20/gm
14.MIN: 35 (4gms) - 8.75/gm
15.WAS: 52 (6gms) - 8.67/gm
16.DAL: 26 (3gms) - 8.67/gm
17.TBL: 43 (5gms) - 8.60/gm
18.PHI: 40 (5gms) - 8.00/gm
19.BUF: 47 (6gms) - 7.83/gm
20.BOS: 30 (4gms) - 7.50/gm
21.COL: 26 (4gms) - 6.50/gm
22.OTT: 13 (2gms) - 6.50/gm
23.VAN: 24 (4gms) - 6.00/gm
24.FLA: 23 (4gms) - 5.75/gm
25.MTL: 22 (4gms) - 5.50/gm
26.PIT: 26 (5gms) - 5.20/gm
27.CLM: 8 (2gms) - 4.00/gm
28.PHX: 13 (4gms) - 3.25/gm
29.STL: 13 (5gms) - 2.60/gm
30.NYR: 0 (0gms) - 0.00/gm



1) It looks like your numbers are wrong. Might want to re-check them. Specifically the road giveaways per game.

2) The Leafs home giveaways are OBVIOUSLY overcounted, just like they were last year. Like last year, they are middle of the pack in road giveaways (12th this year, 17th last year), but also like last year they are the leaders in home giveaways by a ridiculously unbelievable amount. The numbers just don't add up.

3) The theory that teams giveaway the puck more at home is kind of true, but not by a huge amount - median Home Team giveaways are 8.67, median Road Team giveaways are 6.67.

4) Seeing that SJ, LA, DET, and CHI are all in the top-10 in road giveaways per game has to make you question whether giveaways are even a bad thing in the first place.
 
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Wait... How is it not the ACC guy? Home G/A = 105 Road G/A = 29
 

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The ACC guy very well may be doing it right, but then every other one is doing it wrong because as bad as the leafs have been with the puck over 88 more times than the Florida Panthers.

Does it matter what other teams stat guys are doing....we are giving the puck away like it is Christmas.
 

zeke

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Does it matter what other teams stat guys are doing....we are giving the puck away like it is Christmas.

According to 1 stats counter in the league, we are giving away the puck like it is christmas.

Accoridng to 29 other stats counters in the league, we aren't.
 

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What does this mean??
It means what I said. The Leafs currently have 134 giveaways according to NHL.com while the Panthers have 47. You can't seriously tell me you believe the Leafs have turned the puck over 88 more times than the Florida Panthers in only 8 games.


ol what? Look, THAT IS THE DATA. I'm neither ignoring nor emphasizing anything - I'm just observing that the league averages a ratio of over 4:1 in home vs away giveaways, and that the Leafs are simply consistent with that ratio. The whole purpose of posting the league table is to illustrate how different home stats across the league are from away - how am I ignoring this?

To me, this means:

1. The drunk ACC argument doesn't hold
2. The NHL has a serious issue with home vs away stat coding reliability/consistency
3. Despite these league issues, most teams are tighter playing away than they are home
4. The Leafs give a LOT of pucks away
I see the data, I'm just not reading them only in the way I want to see them. The Leafs are 13th in the league on the road for giveaways and 1st at home for giveaways. The only team that come close to that big of a difference are the Sharks who finished 3rd overall in giveaways last year with a similar skew.

Like I said before, it's clear every home team has inflated giveaway numbers but not NEARLY to the extent the Leafs and Sharks do. This doesn't mean the Leafs haven't been terrible with turning the puck over this year, but simply that these stats need to be taken with a grain of salt.
 

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Wait... How is it not the ACC guy? Home G/A = 105 Road G/A = 29

I chart them myself after people last year dismissing them as inflated when it came to Dion last year.

I can only chart the give aways I see....as camera angles take away some of the give aways. We have gave away the puck more then our opponent in each game this year. I have us at 93 GW @ home and 74 on the Road. These are only the ones I can see while watching. Some I know we gave the puck away and I can not put it as a GW unless I can see it. Unforced GW is very Different....meaning the player gave the puck away while not under pressure.

Unforced icings is another stat that I track and I can tell you that Dion is the run away leader in this stat followed by Ranger.
 

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I chart them myself after people last year dismissing them as inflated when it came to Dion last year.

I can only chart the give aways I see....as camera angles take away some of the give aways. We have gave away the puck more then our opponent in each game this year. I have us at 93 GW @ home and 74 on the Road. These are only the ones I can see while watching. Some I know we gave the puck away and I can not put it as a GW unless I can see it. Unforced GW is very Different....meaning the player gave the puck away while not under pressure.

Unforced icings is another stat that I track and I can tell you that Dion is the run away leader in this stat followed by Ranger.

unfortunately, you only "track" stats for one team, so you have no idea how it compares to other teams. And don't seem to be doing a good job even for that one team.
 

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unfortunately, you only "track" stats for one team, so you have no idea how it compares to other teams. And don't seem to be doing a good job even for that one team.

Well I watch the Leafs games and can confirm the giveaways at home....why not track them yourself.

I compare them to our opponents each game, and we win this each game thus far....
 

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My thoughts are the team doesn't care about the puck. Passes 5 feet away from the blade, Kessel pointlessly chipping the puck off the boards and to the other teams defenders with no center support.

Let me say something about advanced stats that applies here. Justin Williams, an advanced stat "superstar" does something I never see our team do. If the kings are changing, he holds onto the puck and circles back. How many times did we dump with no chase and give them an easy entry back into our zone? I know it's the "safe" play, but if you're just dumping the puck and going for a change that means the fresh legs will 90% have to start their shift in their own zone, and a cycle of dump and change begins.

Just watch them and how the handle the puck. The team has no value for the puck. Back on the Kings, watching them against the Preds (2 days ago) and everyone just WANTED that puck. Our team is happy to have the puck, but they don't WANT it.

It's always hilarious how whatever Don Cherry says; gets spewed as a personal opinion the next day around here.

Nice observation champ!
 

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Well I watch the Leafs games and can confirm the giveaways at home....why not track them yourself.

I compare them to our opponents each game, and we win this each game thus far....

somehow, I just don't believe you.
 

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It's always hilarious how whatever Don Cherry says; gets spewed as a personal opinion the next day around here.

Nice observation champ!
Well he is right about it though. You're always taught to have one guy forecheck while the others change and then that player goes off once the other 4 are on the ice. If you simply dump and change constantly you never have the puck.
 

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I swear 75% of you don't even watch the games.

I can watch a single sequence where Toronto players turn the puck over 4-5 times. It is absurd. I have never in my life seen an NHL team this bad at turning pucks over.
 

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I swear 75% of you don't even watch the games.

I can watch a single sequence where Toronto players turn the puck over 4-5 times. It is absurd. I have never in my life seen an NHL team this bad at turning pucks over.
I don't think anyone other than Zeke is arguing that they don't turn the puck over a hell of a lot. What's being argued is that the stats aren't reliable in any way shape or form to judge how much we or any other team is turning it over because it's clearly not consistent.
 

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Surprise surprise. Gunner is number one. Can't skate the puck out, can't pass the puck out, can barely make any good decisions when he has it. Why wouldn't he be number one in giveaways. :shakehead never fails to disappoint.

That's what we get when we decide to put him on the top pairing.
 

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Surprise surprise. Gunner is number one. Can't skate the puck out, can't pass the puck out, can barely make any good decisions when he has it. Why wouldn't he be number one in giveaways. :shakehead never fails to disappoint.

That's what we get when we decide to put him on the top pairing.

Agree 100% he's a good defensemen but I think Phaneuf is making him look better. I hope he gets packaged eventually and traded for a legitimate #1/#2 dman somehow :yo:but I doubt it...
 

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I can't believe some people tried to compare him to Hjalmarsson... it's not even close. Last night showed it.
 

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1) It looks like your numbers are wrong. Might want to re-check them. Specifically the road giveaways per game.

2) The Leafs home giveaways are OBVIOUSLY overcounted, just like they were last year. Like last year, they are middle of the pack in road giveaways (12th this year, 17th last year), but also like last year they are the leaders in home giveaways by a ridiculously unbelievable amount. The numbers just don't add up.

3) The theory that teams giveaway the puck more at home is kind of true, but not by a huge amount - median Home Team giveaways are 8.67, median Road Team giveaways are 6.67.

4) Seeing that SJ, LA, DET, and CHI are all in the top-10 in road giveaways per game has to make you question whether giveaways are even a bad thing in the first place.


You are right - it was pointing to the wrong cell. Kids, don't play in Excel on Sunday mornings without having a coffee first. :shakehead


Corrected table:
Team | HomeGP | RoadGP | TotalGP | HomeG/a | RoadG/a | HomeG/a/GP | RoadG/a/GP | Home vs Road Giveaways

CHICAGO | 6 | 2 | 8 | 66 | 5 | 11.0 | 2.5 | 4.4
SAN JOSE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 64 | 12 | 12.8 | 4.0 | 3.2
TORONTO | 5 | 4 | 9 | 105 | 29 | 21.0 | 7.3 | 2.9
WASHINGTON | 6 | 2 | 8 | 52 | 6 | 8.7 | 3.0 | 2.9
LOS ANGELES | 3 | 6 | 9 | 37 | 26 | 12.3 | 4.3 | 2.8
NASHVILLE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 46 | 11 | 9.2 | 3.7 | 2.5
TAMPA BAY | 5 | 3 | 8 | 43 | 11 | 8.6 | 3.7 | 2.3
CAROLINA | 5 | 4 | 9 | 52 | 20 | 10.4 | 5.0 | 2.1
NEW JERSEY | 2 | 6 | 8 | 24 | 36 | 12.0 | 6.0 | 2.0
EDMONTON | 3 | 6 | 9 | 41 | 46 | 13.7 | 7.7 | 1.8
MINNESOTA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 35 | 25 | 8.8 | 5.0 | 1.8
CALGARY | 3 | 4 | 7 | 34 | 27 | 11.3 | 6.8 | 1.7
ANAHEIM | 4 | 3 | 7 | 40 | 18 | 10.0 | 6.0 | 1.7
NY ISLANDERS | 5 | 3 | 8 | 50 | 20 | 10.0 | 6.7 | 1.5
BOSTON | 4 | 3 | 7 | 30 | 15 | 7.5 | 5.0 | 1.5
DETROIT | 4 | 5 | 9 | 44 | 38 | 11.0 | 7.6 | 1.4
FLORIDA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 23 | 24 | 5.8 | 4.8 | 1.2
WINNIPEG | 6 | 2 | 8 | 69 | 21 | 11.5 | 10.5 | 1.1
VANCOUVER | 4 | 5 | 9 | 24 | 29 | 6.0 | 5.8 | 1.0
PHILADELPHIA | 5 | 3 | 8 | 40 | 24 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 1.0
DALLAS | 3 | 4 | 7 | 26 | 35 | 8.7 | 8.8 | 1.0
BUFFALO | 6 | 4 | 10 | 47 | 32 | 7.8 | 8.0 | 1.0
COLORADO | 4 | 4 | 8 | 26 | 32 | 6.5 | 8.0 | 0.8
PITTSBURGH | 5 | 3 | 8 | 26 | 20 | 5.2 | 6.7 | 0.8
MONTREAL | 4 | 4 | 8 | 22 | 30 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 0.7
OTTAWA | 2 | 6 | 8 | 13 | 57 | 6.5 | 9.5 | 0.7
COLUMBUS | 2 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 38 | 4.0 | 7.6 | 0.5
PHOENIX | 3 | 6 | 9 | 13 | 54 | 4.3 | 9.0 | 0.5
ST LOUIS | 5 | 2 | 7 | 13 | 14 | 2.6 | 7.0 | 0.4
NY RANGERS | 0 | 7 | 7 | 0 | 44 | 0.0 | 6.3 | 0.0
Avg | | | | | | 9.1 | 6.5 | 1.4

The home / away ratio shows we're not the worst in the league, surprisingly.
 

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You are right - it was pointing to the wrong cell. Kids, don't play in Excel on Sunday mornings without having a coffee first. :shakehead


Corrected table:
Team | HomeGP | RoadGP | TotalGP | HomeG/a | RoadG/a | HomeG/a/GP | RoadG/a/GP | Home vs Road Giveaways

CHICAGO | 6 | 2 | 8 | 66 | 5 | 11.0 | 2.5 | 4.4
SAN JOSE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 64 | 12 | 12.8 | 4.0 | 3.2
TORONTO | 5 | 4 | 9 | 105 | 29 | 21.0 | 7.3 | 2.9
WASHINGTON | 6 | 2 | 8 | 52 | 6 | 8.7 | 3.0 | 2.9
LOS ANGELES | 3 | 6 | 9 | 37 | 26 | 12.3 | 4.3 | 2.8
NASHVILLE | 5 | 3 | 8 | 46 | 11 | 9.2 | 3.7 | 2.5
TAMPA BAY | 5 | 3 | 8 | 43 | 11 | 8.6 | 3.7 | 2.3
CAROLINA | 5 | 4 | 9 | 52 | 20 | 10.4 | 5.0 | 2.1
NEW JERSEY | 2 | 6 | 8 | 24 | 36 | 12.0 | 6.0 | 2.0
EDMONTON | 3 | 6 | 9 | 41 | 46 | 13.7 | 7.7 | 1.8
MINNESOTA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 35 | 25 | 8.8 | 5.0 | 1.8
CALGARY | 3 | 4 | 7 | 34 | 27 | 11.3 | 6.8 | 1.7
ANAHEIM | 4 | 3 | 7 | 40 | 18 | 10.0 | 6.0 | 1.7
NY ISLANDERS | 5 | 3 | 8 | 50 | 20 | 10.0 | 6.7 | 1.5
BOSTON | 4 | 3 | 7 | 30 | 15 | 7.5 | 5.0 | 1.5
DETROIT | 4 | 5 | 9 | 44 | 38 | 11.0 | 7.6 | 1.4
FLORIDA | 4 | 5 | 9 | 23 | 24 | 5.8 | 4.8 | 1.2
WINNIPEG | 6 | 2 | 8 | 69 | 21 | 11.5 | 10.5 | 1.1
VANCOUVER | 4 | 5 | 9 | 24 | 29 | 6.0 | 5.8 | 1.0
PHILADELPHIA | 5 | 3 | 8 | 40 | 24 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 1.0
DALLAS | 3 | 4 | 7 | 26 | 35 | 8.7 | 8.8 | 1.0
BUFFALO | 6 | 4 | 10 | 47 | 32 | 7.8 | 8.0 | 1.0
COLORADO | 4 | 4 | 8 | 26 | 32 | 6.5 | 8.0 | 0.8
PITTSBURGH | 5 | 3 | 8 | 26 | 20 | 5.2 | 6.7 | 0.8
MONTREAL | 4 | 4 | 8 | 22 | 30 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 0.7
OTTAWA | 2 | 6 | 8 | 13 | 57 | 6.5 | 9.5 | 0.7
COLUMBUS | 2 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 38 | 4.0 | 7.6 | 0.5
PHOENIX | 3 | 6 | 9 | 13 | 54 | 4.3 | 9.0 | 0.5
ST LOUIS | 5 | 2 | 7 | 13 | 14 | 2.6 | 7.0 | 0.4
NY RANGERS | 0 | 7 | 7 | 0 | 44 | 0.0 | 6.3 | 0.0
Avg | | | | | | 9.1 | 6.5 | 1.4

The home / away ratio shows we're not the worst in the league, surprisingly.
San Jose is bad as well, last years stats show that. Chicago hasn't been off to a good start and only has 2 road games so I think they'll even out pretty significantly
 
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unfortunately, you only "track" stats for one team, so you have no idea how it compares to other teams. And don't seem to be doing a good job even for that one team.

Zeke I know how much you like to rely on your eyes when you watch these games. What are your eyes telling you about our play with the puck (and giveaways) so far?
 

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Gunner appears to be the new whipping boy.


He needs a new partner - the team a new leader -the positive trickle down effect by replacing Dion with a more competent responsible defencemen will be felt throughout entire lineup.
 

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