Frolik or Tlusty who would you draft first?

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  1. RightKinger

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    Both play in the same league. Tlusty put up better numbers but Frolik has more potential. Who would you draft first?
     
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    Jiri Tlusty

    I like two-way players who can score. I've never seen him though i must admit, but Frolik has really been on the downhill. Look for him to drop. Tlusty, if the hype is true, should be a solid player in the 10-15 range. If the Martin Havlat comparisions are correct then it adds to it :)
     
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    I don't agree with that at all. Tlusty is the better player now and he has more potential.
     
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    Agreed completely.

    Frolik has shown nothing... NOTHING to warrent any of this talk about him. He could well fall out of the first round. I don't see it happening, but I wouldn't take him at the 21st pick if he dropped that far for NYR.
     
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    It's nice to look at the numbers and pick a guy that way, but I'll take the guy who I have no doubt will become an exceptional player at the NHL level.

    Michal Frolik pretty damn easily.
     
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    What we have to remember is not only what number they are drafted, but which team they are drafted to. Some players may need more time to develop their game, or to learn the NHL style, but if drafted into a team that needs to put fannys in the seats they throw the raw 18 yr old rookine in and its like lambs to the slaughter. I think that both of these kids will become tremendous talents, but how quickly they do that will be base largely on the team that drafts them and that teams plan for their develpment. I think I would take Frolik before Tlusty, but it really is too close for me to call at this point.
     
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    Michal Frolik FIRST needs to become an exceptional player at any level of hockey other than playing with boys before he can become this sure fire exceptional NHL player.
     
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    Tlusty in a heartbeat. Tlusty is a more hard-working, better defensively, smarter player than Frolik.
     
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    Oh... so you obviously recommend looking at two-year-old highlight clips from a World Junior tournament as a better way to pick a guy?
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    Everythings since Grand Forks points to Tlusty being a better player. He's stronger, more dynamic, a better puck distributor, a harder worker, smarter and better defensively.
     
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    Frolik quite easily !!!

    watch next year when Frolik is in a scoring role better suited for his style in Rimouski, I can GUARANTEE nothing short of a 100pt season. The reason why Frolik struggled so bad in the CZECH league is because he was used in a 4th line checking role, As was Tlusty, but Tlusty is better suited for that type of role therefore he excelled at it. Frolik is way more offensive than Tlusty, Frolik has more potential and will be the better player offensively. Tlusty will be a 3rd line checker in the NHL while Frolik will be a 1st line offensive threat
     
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    Frolik hands down. From when I've watched them play Frolik seems to have a lot more moves and skill. Earlier this year(mid season) Frolik was considered the number 2 prospect and would contend Kessel for number one. Things have changed, but the circumstances are always different. He will dominate in the "Q" next season.
     
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    I like both...hard to say. If i was pressed for an answer id take Frolik.
     
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    At Frolik's age, these were Martin Havlat's numbers in the Czech league:

    24 games played, 2 goals, 3 assists, 5 points

    Frolik's numbers this year:

    48 games played, 2 goals, 7 assists, 9 points

    They basically scored at the same rate. Yes, his numbers aren't great, but I don't think you can look at it and say he won't become a very good hockey player because he couldn't put up numbers at his age in that league.
     
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    Jiri Tlusty

    02/03: Extraliga U18: 48gp, 28g, 17a, 45pts
    03/04: Extraliga U20: 51gp, 10g, 3a, 13pts
    04/05: Extraliga U20: 42gp, 15g, 12a, 27pts
    05/06: Extraliga (PRO): 44gp, 7g, 3a, 10pts

    Michael Frolik

    02/03: Extraliga U18: 46gp, 37g, 21a, 48pts
    03/04: Extraliga U20: 53gp, 21g, 23a, 44pts
    04/05: Extraliga U20: 15gp, 9g, 11a, 20pts
    04/05: Extraliga (PRO): 27gp, 3g, 1a, 4pts
    05/06: Extraliga (PRO): 48gp, 2g, 7a, 9pts


    Frolik had dominated Tlusty in every league, but when Frolik had to play a diminshed checking line role, he couldn't succeed.
     
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    How many Czech league games have you watched??

    Stats mean ZERO...sorry...

    who would you rather have on the Pete's? Jamie Tardif, Justin Morisson, Daniel Ryder or Jordan Staal??
     
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    I think Frolik is a little underated. Where do you guys see him being selected in the draft? I think he will go 7 or 8.
     
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    stats how they performed during the course of the decision, sure there not as good as live scouting reports, but they do determine if they can complete there scoring chances, create plays, and determine what they have done during he course of the season. Stats do mean something, not 0 like you claim they do. Also if stats mean 0, why is there an Art Ross Trophy and a Rocket Richard Trophy and a William Jennings trophy?
     
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    I bet he goes around there, I also bet he goes ahead of Tlusty
     
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    Where in those stats does it tell you who will be better at age 23.

    Scouts dont make money by telling you who's better now, they make their money by projecting who will be the better player in 5 years.

    Trophies and stats are for the average fans. We are talking about scouting and drafting not winning awards.
     
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    Take my comments with a grain of salt because I haven't really seen these guys play. From what what I've read Tlusty gets his points with hard work and a wicked shot. Frolik has a nice skill set, but I don't see him putting it to work so well.

    Keep in mind that stats don't really mean a lot all of the time. Robert Nilsson was miserably invisible in the SEL but has been excellent for the Islanders. I would still take Tlusty though.
     
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    It would be a very tough Choice, But I would probably Go With Frolik.
     
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    I like your eye, JP.
     
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    Interesting math... :confused:
     
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    Dan Cleary
    1995-96 Belleville Bulls OHL 64 53 62 115

    Joe Thornton
    1995-96 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL 66 30 46 76
     
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    I would personally take Frolik before Tlusty. I really believe Frolik has the highest potential of any forward available this year. But there is also a chance Frolik may not reach his potential, and Tlusty will become the better player.

    Tlusty will be the safer pick, but Frolik will really be boom or bust IMO.
     

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