Friedman 31 Thoughts (Jets)

Whileee

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Really...

It isnt about one final hurrah for Enstrom. We had lost 3 straight games and our coach scratched two defensemen to shake things up and try to stay alive in a Conference Finals game. Easy to make an argument he wasnt our 2nd best LD these playoffs.

Maurice shouldn't have to be sorry for doing what he thought was the best chance to try and win a Stanley Cup.

I get why Enstrom was pissed but his feelings are not more important than the team's goal. The **** people try to pin on Maurice is funny sometimes.
Still, the right move was to bench Chiarot and bring in Morrow earlier.
 
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Deedog99

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Enstrom was a 30 point at best defenseman on a pretty bad team for 6 years. He was way overpaid and is easily replaced. See ya!!
 
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Enstrom's peak and the team's peak were at different times, it's unfortunate for a guy who was so loyal for so long.

While I don't think it's a great or even good comparison, the Capitals (Brian Maclellan anyways) thought they were a worse team on paper this year after letting go of Alzner in the offseason. Alzner was recently quoted as feeling a little bitter/jealous that he wasn't a part of the Capitals still. Sometimes what's best for the team isn't necessarily what's best for the feelings of a player. The younger Michal Kempny was a boon for the Capitals, just being a younger/better skating/less beat up player.

I don't think better skating will really apply to any replacement we have for Enstrom unless we're replacing him with a Morrissey clone. I think that we've only had 2 defensemen that are better skaters than Enstrom, and those are/were Morrissey and Oduya. Hopefully his replacement is a durable guy who skates well, can carry the puck, and pass; at least a Kulikov level player. I think we're a worse team if we replace him with another Chiarot (or Chiarot becomes a regular as a result of losing Enstrom).
 

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While I feel Maurice should have played Toby in that game I can understand that he felt he had to do something to try to shake things up.

It isn't easy being a coach in NHL, every single player wants to play every game and as a coach you sometimes are in no win situations. He made what he thought was the best lineup decision and he as a coach owns that.

I am more disappointed in Toby then I am in Maurice in this situation. I can understand why he is angry but he is the one who had the power to chose how he wanted to handle the scratch. He chose to handle it in the way that he did by skipping out of town early and telling the org he was done with them. That is his choice and his choice alone.

I will always appreciate his contributions to the team but I don't blame the org for how the relationship ended unless there are other things that went on that we aren't privy too.

Not just a shake up. He had to try to somebody to start scoring. We have nobody who scores less than Toby, regardless of his net value in any one game.
 
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GaryPoppins

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I have to be honest.. I am VERY disappointed in Enstrom and how he has handled this situation. Entitlement is very unbecoming of anyone... let alone a pro athlete. So you got scratched? Handle it like a man, don't bail and skip town. He should honestly be happy he stayed in that series as long as he did given how the series was trending.
 

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I have to be honest.. I am VERY disappointed in Enstrom and how he has handled this situation. Entitlement is very unbecoming of anyone... let alone a pro athlete. So you got scratched? Handle it like a man, don't bail and skip town. He should honestly be happy he stayed in that series as long as he did given how the series was trending.

Has there been any concrete report that isn't speculation that has revealed he's upset? Is it not plausible that he simply rushed off to be with a sick family member?
 

GaryPoppins

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Has there been any concrete report that isn't speculation that has revealed he's upset? Is it not plausible that he simply rushed off to be with a sick family member?

I can hand you some straws instead of you grasping at them?

It's pretty clear he was mad about it.
 
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GaryPoppins

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What an ignorant post

If the reason for the departure was for health reasons and was that serious, he likely would have left prior to that. Regardless if one wants to acknowledge, the optics look really bad on Enstrom and how he handled his departure.
 

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I have to be honest.. I am VERY disappointed in Enstrom and how he has handled this situation. Entitlement is very unbecoming of anyone... let alone a pro athlete. So you got scratched? Handle it like a man, don't bail and skip town. He should honestly be happy he stayed in that series as long as he did given how the series was trending.

Disagree. He has every reason to be upset. If he was upset, the best thing would be for him to leave as it serves no good to stick around. It has nothing to do with entitlement.

It's unfortunate that his skills went downhill and yes he should have been pulled earlier.

Secondly considering the family issues he has had to miss time for in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if that played a role in his early exit
 
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If the reason for the departure was for health reasons and was that serious, he likely would have left prior to that. Regardless if one wants to acknowledge, the optics look really bad on Enstrom and how he handled his departure.
Good posts. The Enstrom contract was the worst 2.0 contract outside of the Pavs deal. It will be interesting to see if another team wants him and how he performs there.

Maybe offer him a half contract for a half season he will play.
 

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Good posts. The Enstrom contract was the worst 2.0 contract outside of the Pavs deal. It will be interesting to see if another team wants him and how he performs there.

Maybe offer him a half contract for a half season he will play.

Worst contract outside of the Pavs contract? I guess if you’re still stuck in the 80s where it was all about offense and being a big dumb lumbering defenseman was considered acceptable, then yeh sure, maybe.
 

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From Thought #11 this week: Offer sheet compensation levels:

Offer Sheet (AAV)Compensation
$1,339,575 or belowNone
Over $1,339,575 to $2,029,593rd
Over $2,029,59 to $4,059,3222nd
Over $4,059,322 to $6,088,9801st, 3rd
Over $6,088,980 to $8,118,6411st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,118,641 to $10,148,302(2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $10,148,302(4) 1st
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Personally, I'd match anything under $6,088,980 for Trouba and Hellebuyck without thinking twice.

Over $8,118,641 I'd let Trouba go & recoup the compensation.

Sadly, I'd probably match Hellebuyck on damn near anything.
 

Whileee

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From Thought #11 this week: Offer sheet compensation levels:

Offer Sheet (AAV)Compensation
$1,339,575 or belowNone
Over $1,339,575 to $2,029,593rd
Over $2,029,59 to $4,059,3222nd
Over $4,059,322 to $6,088,9801st, 3rd
Over $6,088,980 to $8,118,6411st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,118,641 to $10,148,302(2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $10,148,302(4) 1st
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Personally, I'd match anything under $6,088,980 for Trouba and Hellebuyck without thinking twice.

Over $8,118,641 I'd let Trouba go & recoup the compensation.

Sadly, I'd probably match Hellebuyck on damn near anything.
An 8.1M offer sheet would be bad for the Jets. 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks aren't nearly enough value, but an 8.1m AAV would mess up their salary structure and blow a hole in their cap situation.

Usually, I am not that worried about the prospect of an offer sheet, but there are several teams out there with cap space and a need for a #1 D, and the Jets are in a tighter spot than they've been in terms of the cap.

I still think that if the Jets get a clear read from Trouba and his agent that they are going to have a hard time signing him, they might consider trading him prior to July 1.
 

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From Thought #11 this week: Offer sheet compensation levels:

Offer Sheet (AAV)Compensation
$1,339,575 or belowNone
Over $1,339,575 to $2,029,593rd
Over $2,029,59 to $4,059,3222nd
Over $4,059,322 to $6,088,9801st, 3rd
Over $6,088,980 to $8,118,6411st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,118,641 to $10,148,302(2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $10,148,302(4) 1st
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Personally, I'd match anything under $6,088,980 for Trouba and Hellebuyck without thinking twice.

Over $8,118,641 I'd let Trouba go & recoup the compensation.

Sadly, I'd probably match Hellebuyck on damn near anything.

Don't forget that for compensation purposes the total contract is divided by a max of 5 years. So 7x6 = 42 / 5 = 8.4 - compensation is 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd.
Pretty sure Chevy matches that and higher. An offer of 7x7,248,787 or higher triggers 4 1sts. I take the 4 1sts. $1 less than that and I match.

Edit: There is no guarantee that some team doesn't offer him less term - but if they want to ensure that Trouba signs it they probably need to offer both $$$ and term.

I suppose that if Trouba really wanted out he could find a taker at something like 3-5 years x 8.2 and hope Chevy doesn't match.
 
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Whileee

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Don't forget that for compensation purposes the total contract is divided by a max of 5 years. So 7x6 = 42 / 5 = 8.4 - compensation is 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd.
Pretty sure Chevy matches that and higher. An offer of 7x7,248,787 or higher triggers 4 1sts. I take the 4 1sts. $1 less than that and I match.

Edit: There is no guarantee that some team doesn't offer him less term - but if they want to ensure that Trouba signs it they probably need to offer both $$$ and term.

I suppose that if Trouba really wanted out he could find a taker at something like 3-5 years x 8.2 and hope Chevy doesn't match.
The danger is something like 7.5-8m x 5 years. Trouba probably likes that because he's still in his prime when he hits UFA.
 

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