GDT: Free Agent Frenzy

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OCSportsfan

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Lundy was never going to be a scorer, just a solid 2/3 center depending on wingers. Think of Nick Bonino as his high end point totals, but I think he could be better personally. He is only 21, and most of his draft class has not even played in the NHL, and he has the 7th most games.
 
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AngelDuck

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That's the price to willingly stay in Columbus. No stars want to play there so they had to grossly overpay him.
They will be relocating within the next 5 years Imo

You can’t have a team in a destination where no one wants to be. I mean Edmonton and Buffalo are poorly run. Terrible management. Columbus is just f***ed
 
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Mr Rogers

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Incredible how the Jackets went years without a 1C and when they kinda finally developed one they couldn’t make it work.
 

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They will be relocating within the next 5 years Imo

You can’t have a team in a destination where no one wants to be. I mean Edmonton and Buffalo are poorly run. Terrible management. Columbus is just f***ed
It really sucks, my cousin is a big Jackets fan in Ohio. Would it be different in Cleveland or Cinnci i wonder ?
In the short term they should stop drafting Russians.
 

Paul4587

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I wonder what Drysdale's big extension is going to cost us.

We can extend him next July 1. Assuming he doesn’t have an incredible year where he looks like Cale Makar we should be able to lock him up for a reasonable price if he’s willing to negotiate that early.
 

405Entrance

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Deslauriers is a better fighter and better player overall. Should fetch around the same if not slightly better :naughty:
 

Anaheim4ever

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I wonder if they should just take their chances no one else trades for him and wait for Eichel's NMC to kick in.
 

Masch78

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They will be relocating within the next 5 years Imo

You can’t have a team in a destination where no one wants to be. I mean Edmonton and Buffalo are poorly run. Terrible management. Columbus is just f***ed

Yeah but what is the issue there? The city?
 

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I am fine with all of that, I just don't see why we are trying to give Lundestrom all the offensive opportunities while we try and turn Steel into a checking center....

Did we watch different seasons where it was the Ducks who tried to turn Steel into a grinder role or was it Steel who blew his chances in a top-6 role for the past damned second season in a row? Although we do need scoring, we don't need to be making mistakes that loses pucks. Lundy started off at wing this year and got demoted. Flourished in the AHL and looked good in the NHL on his call up. Then transitioned to center due to injuries and Rico getting demoted. When the team was struggling to find any offense, lightning struck once Lundy centered Comtois and Rakell. Then Eakins separated him from them to keep pushing Steel in a top-6 role and Lundy back to 3C. While it is important that players produce, it's also important to find that chemistry which could help others produce.

.9 games.13 games....20 games....20 games...
. Lundy....Comtois....Rakell...
. GATotal GATotal GATotal
125-FebSJ000 202 011
136-FebSJ101 000 000
149-FebVGK101 011 011
1511-FebVGK000 101 011
1615-FebSJ000 101 011
1718-FebMin000 000 000
1820-FebMin000 000 000
1922-FebAri000 022 000
2024-FebAri000 112 000
. PPG PPG PPG
.9 games 2020.2 5491.0 0440.44
.Total 2020.2 85130.7 1670.35
.before combo.0000 3140.4 1230.27
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


It's amazing how much rose colored glasses some people have to keep pushing for Steel to not be a grinder when he's been given two seasons in top-6 roles and hasn't actually earned it. Now, I don't blame Steel for that. I've been pining for him to be sent down to the AHL to find his groove again. It's not like he's doing much to change our fortunes for the past two seasons. But the one time Lundy finds success, coach Eakins separates that line.

We're stronger with Lundy down the middle than Steel. That was painfully obvious as Steel would be healthy scratched as well as have reduced tasks just to pump up his confidence. Steel was freaking waiver eligible all last season, but he was never demoted to the AHL. You know who was? Lundy and he worked his way back up.

I'm a huge Steel fan and still am, but I don't have rose-colored glasses nepotism about Steel. He's regressed. Now, Lundy was drafted two seasons later than Steel. Steel has had the benefit of playing an additional two seasons in the CHL and then to the NHL.


Lundy who got 1/3 of his points in 1 game.

Anyone who thinks Lundy has top 6 potential needs to give up that hope real fast. He is not a scorer. He never has been and never will be. His best offensive season at any level was 21 points in 43 AHL games.

Box score watching in a vacuum. Good thing I shared that excel chart above to reveal having a strong, speedy center actually helped out Comtois and Rakell.

Do we need to give up hope on Lundy real fast? Do you know he's only 21 years old? This year should have been his first year in the pros on a normal path like Steel and Jones. As for scoring, if you're using only final raw production, then you're doing it all wrong. You should use rate, otherwise known as points per game rate, PPG.

Lundy: AHL
LundyMinorsUSA
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2018-1918AHL120660.50
Playoffs 71230.43
2019-2019AHL43615210.49
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

At 19 years of age, he's playing his second season in the AHL/NHL. Steel was still in the CHL.​

Lundy: NHL
LundyProUSA
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2018-1918NHL150220.13
2019-2019NHL150440.27
2020-2120NHL416390.22
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It doesn't seem like there is any individual high scoring production. Is there any offense in Lundy's game?​


Lundy: Sweden
LundyProSweden
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2015-1615SHL40000.00
2016-1716SHL463360.13
Playoffs 10000.00
2017-1817SHL4269150.36
Playoffs 30000.00
2018-1918SHL172790.53
Playoffs 102680.80
2019-2019
2020-2120H.A.1256110.92
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


Here, we see Lundy's offense grow the more time he spends in Sweden. What curbs Lundy's offense is his advanced defense. He was a mainstay against men at age 16! In his draft year, he had 15 points in 42 games, or a 0.36 ppg rate. The following year, after Anaheim loaned him back to the SHL, Lundy improved his scoring rate during the regular season and playoffs. Lundy again improved his scoring production in Sweden in 2020-21 before being recalled to North America. What kinda of production would Lundy have had if he was left in Sweden for the next two seasons after being drafted?
Why is Lundy not getting more love when he's proved to be a lot more stable of a center at the NHL level than Steel? Can we blame Steel for not stepping up his game rather than try to take down Lundy, who hasn't been a liability on the ice between the two? Apparently, Lundy does have offense in Sweden and it's slow going on NA ice. Remember, Lundy will start the season as a 21-year old. Our coaches need to figure this out, but with Eakins here, I dunno if he wants to figure it out as he's always favoring Steel.
 

DavidBL

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Did we watch different seasons where it was the Ducks who tried to turn Steel into a grinder role or was it Steel who blew his chances in a top-6 role for the past damned second season in a row? Although we do need scoring, we don't need to be making mistakes that loses pucks. Lundy started off at wing this year and got demoted. Flourished in the AHL and looked good in the NHL on his call up. Then transitioned to center due to injuries and Rico getting demoted. When the team was struggling to find any offense, lightning struck once Lundy centered Comtois and Rakell. Then Eakins separated him from them to keep pushing Steel in a top-6 role and Lundy back to 3C. While it is important that players produce, it's also important to find that chemistry which could help others produce.

.9 games.13 games....20 games....20 games...
.Lundy....Comtois....Rakell...
.GATotalGATotalGATotal
125-FebSJ000202011
136-FebSJ101000000
149-FebVGK101011011
1511-FebVGK000101011
1615-FebSJ000101011
1718-FebMin000000000
1820-FebMin000000000
1922-FebAri000022000
2024-FebAri000112000
.PPGPPGPPG
.9 games2020.25491.00440.44
.Total2020.285130.71670.35
.before combo.00003140.41230.27
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


It's amazing how much rose colored glasses some people have to keep pushing for Steel to not be a grinder when he's been given two seasons in top-6 roles and hasn't actually earned it. Now, I don't blame Steel for that. I've been pining for him to be sent down to the AHL to find his groove again. It's not like he's doing much to change our fortunes for the past two seasons. But the one time Lundy finds success, coach Eakins separates that line.

We're stronger with Lundy down the middle than Steel. That was painfully obvious as Steel would be healthy scratched as well as have reduced tasks just to pump up his confidence. Steel was freaking waiver eligible all last season, but he was never demoted to the AHL. You know who was? Lundy and he worked his way back up.

I'm a huge Steel fan and still am, but I don't have rose-colored glasses nepotism about Steel. He's regressed. Now, Lundy was drafted two seasons later than Steel. Steel has had the benefit of playing an additional two seasons in the CHL and then to the NHL.




Box score watching in a vacuum. Good thing I shared that excel chart above to reveal having a strong, speedy center actually helped out Comtois and Rakell.

Do we need to give up hope on Lundy real fast? Do you know he's only 21 years old? This year should have been his first year in the pros on a normal path like Steel and Jones. As for scoring, if you're using only final raw production, then you're doing it all wrong. You should use rate, otherwise known as points per game rate, PPG.

Lundy: AHL
LundyMinorsUSA
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2018-1918AHL120660.50
Playoffs71230.43
2019-2019AHL43615210.49
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
At 19 years of age, he's playing his second season in the AHL/NHL. Steel was still in the CHL.​
Lundy: NHL
LundyProUSA
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2018-1918NHL150220.13
2019-2019NHL150440.27
2020-2120NHL416390.22
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
It doesn't seem like there is any individual high scoring production. Is there any offense in Lundy's game?​
Lundy: Sweden
LundyProSweden
YearAgeLeagueGamesGA PtsPPG rate
2015-1615SHL40000.00
2016-1716SHL463360.13
Playoffs10000.00
2017-1817SHL4269150.36
Playoffs30000.00
2018-1918SHL172790.53
Playoffs102680.80
2019-2019
2020-2120H.A.1256110.92
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Here, we see Lundy's offense grow the more time he spends in Sweden. What curbs Lundy's offense is his advanced defense. He was a mainstay against men at age 16! In his draft year, he had 15 points in 42 games, or a 0.36 ppg rate. The following year, after Anaheim loaned him back to the SHL, Lundy improved his scoring rate during the regular season and playoffs. Lundy again improved his scoring production in Sweden in 2020-21 before being recalled to North America. What kinda of production would Lundy have had if he was left in Sweden for the next two seasons after being drafted?
Why is Lundy not getting more love when he's proved to be a lot more stable of a center at the NHL level than Steel? Can we blame Steel for not stepping up his game rather than try to take down Lundy, who hasn't been a liability on the ice between the two? Apparently, Lundy does have offense in Sweden and it's slow going on NA ice. Remember, Lundy will start the season as a 21-year old. Our coaches need to figure this out, but with Eakins here, I dunno if he wants to figure it out as he's always favoring Steel.
We must have been watching different games. I dont have the tine to drill into the numbers for you right now. But I remember looking at the most common line mates and Racks and MC were Lundestroms most common while Steel was with bottom 6ers most of the time. Id also theorize that MC and Raks just found some Chemistry and had very little to do with Lundestrom. If he was that important to their success you would have seen it on the score sheet IMO. I'll did into this later to give you a more in depth look.
 

AngelDuck

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I'd love to know what the plan is for Rakell and Lindholm. If you can't sign them, you have to trade them. If they walk away for nothing, Bob is completely out to lunch

Also, the Henrique situation is so interesting. Wtf are we going to do there? Is he committed to playing here or are we trading him?
 

McDonald19

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I'd love to know what the plan is for Rakell and Lindholm. If you can't sign them, you have to trade them. If they walk away for nothing, Bob is completely out to lunch

Bob will probably be trying to sign them to extensions all the way up to the trade deadline, then end up taking a couple late first rounders for them.
 
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