GDT: Free Agent Frenzy

[BG44]

Oh I hadn't checked this thread out. I thought it was general league FA stuff.

I accidentally posted about Mascherin in the Dallas thread.

Basically ... I think this is a ridiculous move on the players part.

He wasn't going to be buried in the AHL. Raffl, Glendening, Comeau, and Kero are not Top 9 options. Dallas has zero Top 9 depth.

His primary competition was Damiani for first call up, and given the age/injury history of the Top 9, and Nill's waiver reluctance, Mascherin probably doesn't get waived and is playing the majority of the season in Dallas.

There's zero chance 1 or 2 guys at any given moment in that Top 9 aren't hurt. At least for big chunks of time.

This doesn't hurt Dallas. It gives the Euro trio a better shot to earn NHL games earlier as well as Damiani.

I can't think of a dumber decision by a player and his reps recently.

If you try and come back next year, you are buried. That 2020 draft class has several skilled players that should be joining the AHL, and the 3 Euros will have flown past you on the depth chart by that point.

This is a bit stunning IMO. So dumb.

Mascherin and Damiani were both playing 20 or 40 games in Dallas this year. Now it's Damiani, Petersen, and Karlstrom. Dellandrea and Back were always going to be considered first if its a more defensive player. Same for Gardner and others.

Unless I'm overlooking something ... Dallas doesn't lose any sleep, and this kid just robbed himself for his shot at the NHL. He fought an uphill battle to be a top call up option on an older, injury prone team. Now he's back to zero. He may never be this close to the NHL again.

 

[serp]

Oh I hadn't checked this thread out. I thought it was general league FA stuff.

I accidentally posted about Mascherin in the Dallas thread.

Basically ... I think this is a ridiculous move on the players part.

He wasn't going to be buried in the AHL. Raffl, Glendening, Comeau, and Kero are not Top 9 options. Dallas has zero Top 9 depth.

His primary competition was Damiani for first call up, and given the age/injury history of the Top 9, and Nill's waiver reluctance, Mascherin probably doesn't get waived and is playing the majority of the season in Dallas.

There's zero chance 1 or 2 guys at any given moment in that Top 9 aren't hurt. At least for big chunks of time.

This doesn't hurt Dallas. It gives the Euro trio a better shot to earn NHL games earlier as well as Damiani.

I can't think of a dumber decision by a player and his reps recently.

If you try and come back next year, you are buried. That 2020 draft class has several skilled players that should be joining the AHL, and the 3 Euros will have flown past you on the depth chart by that point.

This is a bit stunning IMO. So dumb.

Mascherin and Damiani were both playing 20 or 40 games in Dallas this year. Now it's Damiani, Petersen, and Karlstrom. Dellandrea and Back were always going to be considered first if its a more defensive player. Same for Gardner and others.

Unless I'm overlooking something ... Dallas doesn't lose any sleep, and this kid just robbed himself for his shot at the NHL. He fought an uphill battle to be a top call up option on an older, injury prone team. Now he's back to zero. He may never be this close to the NHL again.

Might've badly wanted a 1 way deal and Stars weren't giving him that.

 

[Troy McClure]

Oh I hadn't checked this thread out. I thought it was general league FA stuff.

I accidentally posted about Mascherin in the Dallas thread.

Basically ... I think this is a ridiculous move on the players part.

He wasn't going to be buried in the AHL. Raffl, Glendening, Comeau, and Kero are not Top 9 options. Dallas has zero Top 9 depth.

His primary competition was Damiani for first call up, and given the age/injury history of the Top 9, and Nill's waiver reluctance, Mascherin probably doesn't get waived and is playing the majority of the season in Dallas.

There's zero chance 1 or 2 guys at any given moment in that Top 9 aren't hurt. At least for big chunks of time.

This doesn't hurt Dallas. It gives the Euro trio a better shot to earn NHL games earlier as well as Damiani.

I can't think of a dumber decision by a player and his reps recently.

If you try and come back next year, you are buried. That 2020 draft class has several skilled players that should be joining the AHL, and the 3 Euros will have flown past you on the depth chart by that point.

This is a bit stunning IMO. So dumb.

Mascherin and Damiani were both playing 20 or 40 games in Dallas this year. Now it's Damiani, Petersen, and Karlstrom. Dellandrea and Back were always going to be considered first if its a more defensive player. Same for Gardner and others.

Unless I'm overlooking something ... Dallas doesn't lose any sleep, and this kid just robbed himself for his shot at the NHL. He fought an uphill battle to be a top call up option on an older, injury prone team. Now he's back to zero. He may never be this close to the NHL again.

How much does this Swedish league pay compared to AHL salary?

 

[serp]

How much does this Swedish league pay compared to AHL salary?

Depends . Around 55k - 250k . He should make more than the $75k he should get in the normal two-way deal the Stars sign guys to they don't expect to be in the NHL.

 

[BG44]

The odds of Mascherin playing many if any AHL games is minimal.

1) Hintz, Seguin, and Radulov are all coming back from surgeries/injuries. Pavelaki is 37, and Kiviranta missed significant time last year.

2) Bishop on LTIR allows Dallas to carry 14 forwards.

3) Nill is pretty timid about waivers.

People keep saying the Top 9 is filled, but that's on paper. Dallas, like most teams, isn't going to have that compliment of players available for the majority of the season. Guys will be going in and out.

Caamano and Gardner weren't keeping him out of the NHL last year. They wouldn't this year. Those are bottom of the lineup guys. Dowling even barely played out of the Bottom 6. The only guy other than Dickinson, who is gone, that got those minutes was Kero out of necessity.

 

[serp]

Mascherin himself might not be very confident he can be out Damiani , Dellandrea and the Swedes for injury callups. Dunno. In the normal season the Stars often liked send down the waiver expempt guys down every time they had a home stand and they weren't guaranteed to play. Can't do that with Mascherin. Stars probably looking to save as much capspace as possible like they allways do.

 

[Troy McClure]

Depends . Around 55k - 250k . He should make more than the $75k he should get in the normal two-way deal the Stars sign guys to they don't expect to be in the NHL.

Well there you go. Probably a better lifestyle playing in Sweden versus the AHL as well.

 

[Captain Awesome]

How much does this Swedish league pay compared to AHL salary?

I think they might pay around similar wages, difference being that European labor laws, universal health care benefits, and shorter travel are a big plus in a place like Sweden. I'm unsure as to what someone like Mascherin would have made in the AHL, capfriendly doesn't give you their AHL wage. As a 4th rounder, I imagine he was making less than $100k (think the minimum might be around $50k?). He more than likely got a raise in Europe. There are also some issues with the AHL in that Mascherin might take up a veteran slot there, and he could have aged out of the league if he wasn't considered for one of those slots. I'm going to guess that Texas might be one of the worst places to play hockey in the AHL, though, if you look at their division that is a lot of miles each year, regardless of how they're taken.

 

[M88K]

I think they might pay around similar wages, difference being that European labor laws, universal health care benefits, and shorter travel are a big plus in a place like Sweden. I'm unsure as to what someone like Mascherin would have made in the AHL, capfriendly doesn't give you their AHL wage. As a 4th rounder, I imagine he was making less than $100k (think the minimum might be around $50k?). He more than likely got a raise in Europe. There are also some issues with the AHL in that Mascherin might take up a veteran slot there, and he could have aged out of the league if he wasn't considered for one of those slots. I'm going to guess that Texas might be one of the worst places to play hockey in the AHL, though, if you look at their division that is a lot of miles each year, regardless of how they're taken.

He was making 70k in the AHL

 

[BG44]

Well there you go. Probably a better lifestyle playing in Sweden versus the AHL as well.

That's not there you go ..

Dallas rewards AHL production with $150K to $350K salaries. He can make the same or more.

This also completely ignores the fact 9 forwards in the Top 9 aren't going to play 82 games. Minimal NHL time, which is likely the low end of what he would get, pushes him into the $400K to $600K range.

 

[BrettHullsToe]

At the very least when we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs for a few games you could have paired him with our offensive players and see what you had. There was absolutely nothing to lose.

This wasn't really possible. The Stars weren't eliminated until May 8th. Their final 2 games were on the 9th and 10th in Chicago. Mascherin would've had to travel privately to avoid the mandatory quarantine. I don't imagine the team wanted to charter a private flight for Mascherin to get 2 games in, so he would've had to drive to Chicago on the 9th to play on the 10th in a game where neither team cared much about trying to win.

 

[serp]

That's not there you go ..

Dallas rewards AHL production with $150K to $350K salaries. He can make the same or more.

This also completely ignores the fact 9 forwards in the Top 9 aren't going to play 82 games. Minimal NHL time, which is likely the low end of what he would get, pushes him into the $400K to $600K range.

Not on prospects. Gleason makes 95k in the AHL next year. Can't see Mascherin getting much more than that in a two-way deal.

L'Esperance makes 250k in the AHL next year i'll give you that one.

 

[Captain Awesome]

This wasn't really possible. The Stars weren't eliminated until May 8th. Their final 2 games were on the 9th and 10th in Chicago. Mascherin would've had to travel privately to avoid the mandatory quarantine. I don't imagine the team wanted to charter a private flight for Mascherin to get 2 games in, so he would've had to drive to Chicago on the 9th to play on the 10th in a game where neither team cared much about trying to win.

Makes more sense than anything I've heard so far.

 

[Captain Awesome]

He was making 70k in the AHL

I kinda was thinking around $75k, but didn't wanna throw out numbers without finding information. Where did you find that?

 

[serp]

I kinda was thinking around $75k, but didn't wanna throw out numbers without finding information. Where did you find that?

Capfriendly.

 

[serp]

Petrovic and Borgman both make more than 300k in the AHL didn't quite expect that.

 

[Captain Awesome]

Capfriendly.

Thanks for the link. Adam Mascherin Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Missed it my first time looking through, it's under minors salary. Also unclear if the signing bonuses were given, if they were then he did pretty well in the AHL. Doesn't change the fact that the travel is probably horrific.

 

[serp]

I think there's a good chance Mascherin wanted at least L'Esperance money on a two-way deal if he was willing to accept a two-way deal at all.

 

[Troy McClure]

That's not there you go ..

Dallas rewards AHL production with $150K to $350K salaries. He can make the same or more.

This also completely ignores the fact 9 forwards in the Top 9 aren't going to play 82 games. Minimal NHL time, which is likely the low end of what he would get, pushes him into the $400K to $600K range.

Who cares about the injury potential for the Stars NHL roster when he already knows there are several guys ahead of him on the organization's depth chart? You'd need something like five forwards getting hurt for him to get a call up.

 

[BG44]

Who cares about the injury potential for the Stars NHL roster when he already knows there are several guys ahead of him on the organization's depth chart? You'd need something like five forwards getting hurt for him to get a call up.

Name them.

That argument doesn't float. People are having revisionist history with Bones because the bottom of the lineup churned last year. I already said it once but I'll say it again, Bones has said he doesn't call next man up on best overall. He goes to the guy that fits the role, and he did that in the Stanley Cup Finals. Caamano and Gardner aren't even in the same conversation with Mascherin.

The only legitimate competition he has would for sure be Kero and Damiani. Dellandrea is a tweener that was mostly used in a Bottom 6 role. I doubt Nill even gives him Dellandrea as an option since Nill's the type of guy to value big minutes in the AHL, and that could actually help him.

This is a bizarro world ... I've watched multiple people discuss Damiani and Mascherin in an a potential every day Top 9 role for weeks with no argument. Both beat writers have discussed the exact same thing at length.

Dallas signs Raffl and Glendening, 4th liners that aren't playing up the lineup, and we're pretending that Mascherin just never had a chance, and it's impossible for him to play next year all of a sudden?

Petersen and Kalstrom could pass Mascherin on the depth chart, but that would be on him failing to meet expectations. They gave Kero a 2-way contract for a reason as well, he's not a NHL lock.

There are not 5 guys between the NHL and Mascherin. There will be in 2022-23.

 

[BG44]

Not on prospects. Gleason makes 95k in the AHL next year. Can't see Mascherin getting much more than that in a two-way deal.

L'Esperance makes 250k in the AHL next year i'll give you that one.

Yeah ... I said they reward performance. Gleason has underperformed and basically been a 3rd pair D/PP specialist who hasn't been that special for 2 years.

L'Esperance is the comparable to Mascherin. It's Dallas' standard 2nd contract for an AHL tweener. If you're a big-time scorer at the AHL level for them and a prospect, you're going to get about $150K to $200K. If you're a veteran, It's always up their just under $400K.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

Yeah ... I said they reward performance. Gleason has underperformed and basically been a 3rd pair D/PP specialist who hasn't been that special for 2 years.

L'Esperance is the comparable to Mascherin. It's Dallas' standard 2nd contract for an AHL tweener. If you're a big-time scorer at the AHL level for them and a prospect, you're going to get about $150K to $200K. If you're a veteran, It's always up their just under $400K.

He spent the first half of the year on the second pairing with Rosberg, played well and finished the year on the top pairing with Harley.

 

[serp]

Name them.

That argument doesn't float. People are having revisionist history with Bones because the bottom of the lineup churned last year. I already said it once but I'll say it again, Bones has said he doesn't call next man up on best overall. He goes to the guy that fits the role, and he did that in the Stanley Cup Finals. Caamano and Gardner aren't even in the same conversation with Mascherin.

The only legitimate competition he has would for sure be Kero and Damiani. Dellandrea is a tweener that was mostly used in a Bottom 6 role. I doubt Nill even gives him Dellandrea as an option since Nill's the type of guy to value big minutes in the AHL, and that could actually help him.

This is a bizarro world ... I've watched multiple people discuss Damiani and Mascherin in an a potential every day Top 9 role for weeks with no argument. Both beat writers have discussed the exact same thing at length.

Dallas signs Raffl and Glendening, 4th liners that aren't playing up the lineup, and we're pretending that Mascherin just never had a chance, and it's impossible for him to play next year all of a sudden?

Petersen and Kalstrom could pass Mascherin on the depth chart, but that would be on him failing to meet expectations. They gave Kero a 2-way contract for a reason as well, he's not a NHL lock.

There are not 5 guys between the NHL and Mascherin. There will be in 2022-23.

It would be interesting to see how much money he was offered by the Stars and how much he wanted for a not guaranteed NHL job. Also we just don't know how exactly the team sees the pecking order at the moment. There's a good chance the team sees Mascherin as just another L'Esperance with little NHL upside.

 

[BfantZ]

Who cares about the injury potential for the Stars NHL roster when he already knows there are several guys ahead of him on the organization's depth chart? You'd need something like five forwards getting hurt for him to get a call up.

If the stars were 10-10-5 coming out the gate and needs a call up for a raffle injury , it would probably be the safe option in camaano or kero .If there 15-5-0 and Robertson gets injured . That’s when there’s a good chance damiani or mascherin would get called up . There’s not several Guys cut and dry ahead of him .

 

[serp]

Did Mascherin have arbitration rights ?

Edit : No he didn't.

Really seems like he didn't like what the Stars offered. They're usually not offering much to guys to guy in the AHL for RFA's without arbitration rights.