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Dipsy Doodle

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except he's had a similar surgery before. when it didn't take he just played

so what's the logical conclusion if this different surgery also doesn't work

Try something else instead of playing through it at a sub-par level.
 

AjaxTelamon

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For sure. 3.5 would be my limit and only with term, it wouldn't be something I'd be happy about. Over that I rally don't see him being worth it to this team. I want him packaged for a winger, it all really depends on how he's seen around the league, though. I just don't see a good enough deal being worked out with him.

I don't think he's seen as much more than a 3C around the league right now, but he may well think of himself as something more. And if he does, then he's never signing a long term deal. I think the most likely and best outcome for us is to just sign him to a two year deal at 3.25 or something, and then surround him with better players and hope he plays well and ups his value. Then package him up with some other assets like Martin when Maatta comes back and get the best wing you can.

I don't like the idea of signing Sutter to a 4 mil longer term deal, we just can't allocate that much cash to a 3C, assuming we can come to terms with Spaling and considering we have Goc who is a more prototypical 3C.
 

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i like goc more than sutter

people seem to think he's a fourth line center because he who must not be named insisted on using him beneath in a lesser role than sutter for no reason other than loyalty. and i guess being an idiot is another reason

Goc is a fine player, but he has had a lot of injuries, including chronic back problems. Having him as the third line center would make me a little nervous.
 

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i like goc more than sutter

people seem to think he's a fourth line center because he who must not be named insisted on using him beneath in a lesser role than sutter for no reason other than loyalty. and i guess being an idiot is another reason

I like Goc a lot, but I think Sutter had a bigger role because Sutter is a better player. I don't even think Goc would be next in line for 3C if we moved Sutter; I think it would be Spaling's spot to lose.
 

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Jesus is Megna overhyped here. Give me Booth any day

Relying on Booth would be just as bad as relying on Jesus Megna, albeit for different reasons. Booth is literally about half the player he used to be. Even if he never has another concussion, the damage has been done. I mean the pickings are slim these days but the Booth thing tends to come up once or twice a summer as a winger depth solution, and it's really not a solution.

I suppose using him as a plug on a plug contract would be OK for a year but would hate to sign that guy cheap, have him have a decent year then watch Rutherford "Shero him" next summer and give him a 4 year deal that's way more than he's worth (could totally see that happening).
 
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Fordy

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Goc is a fine player, but he has had a lot of injuries, including chronic back problems. Having him as the third line center would make me a little nervous.

spaling and sill are adequate replacements

how good is spaling at faceoffs? i guess that'd be the deciding factor
 

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Spalding is an opponent's worst nightmare when he's over the spot.

Spalding_Caddyshack1.gif
 

Zen Arcade

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spaling and sill are adequate replacements

how good is spaling at faceoffs? i guess that'd be the deciding factor

Spaling seems to be fairly average on draws, 46%-50%ish over the past three years.

Maybe move Spaling over to center full time, with Goc as an insurance policy if he struggles there. I like Sill better as a winger.

All of this, of course, is if Sutter is dealt.
 

mpp9

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Spaling was learning to take draws from Gaustad. I dont' think he'd be any worse than Sutter. It's just we wouldn't have a righty anymore to go in the circle.

Sid and Goc would be our f/o specialists either way though.
 

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spaling and sill are adequate replacements

how good is spaling at faceoffs? i guess that'd be the deciding factor

Spaling was at 52.69% this year, Goc was at 53.4%, Sutter was at 47.7% I couldn't find anything on past years.

Just wanted to say Vitale was #1 :cry: (min. 200 taken).
 
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Darth Vitale

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Your collective lack of faith in Spalding, disturbs me. He is the X Factor in this trade and now has a *****in' nickname which is pretty much all he needs to succeed.

Elmer, Spalding, Beauner, Macaroni... how can we lose?
 

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Your collective lack of faith in Spalding, disturbs me. He is the X Factor in this trade and now has a *****in' nickname which is pretty much all he needs to succeed.

Elmer, Spalding, Beauner, Macaroni... how can we lose?

Don't forget Horny and Greasy.
 

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I think Spaling could be in the top 6 for a couple reasons.. Left shot, not coming off major knee surgery, chemistry with Hornqvist even back to their time in the AHL.
 

mpp9

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Hornqvist, Kunitz, Bennett and Downie should be in our top 6 over anyone. They all can complement scoring line centers in some way.

But Spaling is definitely more than a dime a dozen 3rd/4th liner. Could be a big boost to our 3rd line with his hustle, board work and defensive awareness. And possibly a 3C longterm. Plus he's scored some clutch goals in the past. And he's still just 25.
 

AjaxTelamon

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Spaling was at 52.69% this year, Goc was at 53.4%, Sutter was at 47.7% I couldn't find anything on past years.

Just wanted to say Vitale was #1 :cry: (min. 200 taken).

That 52.7% was a very limited sample size, in a larger sample the previous year he was around 47%. But he has improved. I would think Goc with proper linemates should become our D zone faceoff specialist, giving Spaling more favorable zone starts.

So who is the 3C vs. 4C would probably be a little fuzzy, as both could get similar TOI at ES. Spaling would probably assume Sutter's job as center and net front on the 2nd PP unit, while Goc took the 1st PK unit center job.
 

mpp9

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I always wanted to see 2 monster scoring lines and a 3A/3B setup in the bottom six since Staal left.
 

KIRK

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Craig Adams is still in the lineup. I'd take Booth at 200k more.

Problem is you can't bury Adams in WBS, and who's going to take him on waivers?

Then again, if nobody claimed him, then would he report to WBS and ride the buses?

I wonder if that might not lead him to seek a mutual termination of his contract.

Well, one always can hope.

BTW, the same goes for Scuds (who you can bury enough to cover Despres when Maatta returns or to pay for a Dumo or a Harrington if they really belong over him). Maybe we can get a pick for him. Maybe we can eat some money to get someone to take him. And, if push comes to shove, burying him in WBS . . . couldn't you see him preferring to terminate his contract before riding the buses?
 

KIRK

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I always wanted to see 2 monster scoring lines and a 3A/3B setup in the bottom six since Staal left.

I'd have settled for one true scoring line (as opposed to a line Sid or Geno carries), but point taken . . . :laugh:
 

KIRK

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My truculence levels dropped 100%. But my adorability levels are at an all-time high.

As did my appreciation for the irony of your posts.

It was so much easier to read you talking about who JR paid what when I could think to myself 'but you gave Engo 3 years at 2.9M PER'. :laugh:
 

mpp9

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Problem is you can't bury Adams in WBS, and who's going to take him on waivers?

Then again, if nobody claimed him, then would he report to WBS and ride the buses?

I wonder if that might not lead him to seek a mutual termination of his contract.

Well, one always can hope.

BTW, the same goes for Scuds (who you can bury enough to cover Despres when Maatta returns or to pay for a Dumo or a Harrington if they really belong over him). Maybe we can get a pick for him. Maybe we can eat some money to get someone to take him. And, if push comes to shove, burying him in WBS . . . couldn't you see him preferring to terminate his contract before riding the buses?

I think they're going to roll with Scuds until Maatta's back. I'll give them until then. After that, we better not have 4 vet D-men on this roster and a major hole in the top 6 still.

Gotta hope Scuds' value can rebound in a system based on smart vs. quick decisions and not having grand canyon level gaps between D-men and forwards. Maybe we can get something of value for him later in the fall.
 
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