Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Warden of the North, Feb 27, 2018.
Still would be in tough. If they buy him out they save 2 and have to sign a d
Carlson - they could go 8 years maybe get Carlson down to 6.75M. I figure UFA he's 7x7 or 7x7.5M per
Bowey getting bridged, probably 1 year 800k-950k
Beagle probably 2 yrs 2M per or 3-4 years at 1.5-1.75M per
Grubauer is getting traded most likely
They might need to give Wilson a 1 year deal to hold things over
How would Bowey take minimum? Why would Carlson sign for that. He could win the norris
A few months ago that would have been a fair number for Carlson. He led the league in scoring for D and played 25 minutes a night. He's getting 8+.
The Hamilton and Hamonic deals are prime comparables no? 1st +2nd + marlie not named Liljegren, or 1st + Brown + 3rd/carrick?
If we keep getting walked all over by Boston that won’t help us sign UFA. If we lose out on the big ones I would go for beagle on like a big 1 year deal. Screw it what else do we have to spend kn
RE: Bowey, 12 pts all year and didn't dress every game. 800-1M is all he deserves at his point.
If you pay Carlson 8+ you'll regret that. He had a career year in a contract year, this isn't his usual level.
But math says 7 years at 8M = 56M
8 x 6.75 = 54 or even 6.95 x 8 = 55.6
Depends if he wants to stay and help the team stay competitive or he wants money. Will re-iterate that 8M or more for Carlson would be foolish.
Depends on the defenseman I think
Tanev shouldn't command that, little to zero offense and durability issues which sees a 3rd piece drop from the deal IMO or they take back a deal like Martin.
Teams regret UFA all the time. What is your guess on gardiner?
Go 8 years on Gardiner, hope you can get him at 5.75-6M per. He's probably an elite #3
I think that is reasonable for gards. But Carlson has to be paid more. Like I said. He could win the Norris has a 50 pt season as well. Fowler got 6.5 right??
Honestly, I don't think Tanev even warrants a 1st. I think the best he could get is someone like Brown, someone like Nielsen and a 2nd. He's playing fewer games, he is barely averaging 20 minutes when he does get in, and his possession numbers are Zaitsev level. It's been like that for 2 years now.
It's possible but Carlson hasn't played to this level before. He's not normally "this" good.
Fowler did get 6.5M so Gardiner might push for that too, he's not wrong too either, just hope we offer that up and he takes it, but then LHD is crowded with Rielly, Dermott and Gardiner.
Honestly, I think WTFMAN99 had the right idea with Weber. It would be a lot harder for that big Boston line to navigate through Weber, he'd punish them physically too. Tanev/CDH/Carlson don't have a mean bone in their body. Weber would make them pay for going near the net.
I'd try for 6x6 for Gardiner.
Rielly - Weber
Gardiner - Dermott
No. Weber is such a ****ing short sighted move. And completely helps out our main rival from staying in turmoil. Might be one of the last D in the league I want.
Weber is a good defenseman, and probably a top pairing guy for at least 2-3 yeas more, after that it's a roll of the dice.
I just want a #1 defenseman in general. If it's Doughty, that is fine too, Karlsson doesn't punish guys, but you can grab other guys to do that as well.
See I don’t even think we need that. We have plenty of offence and puck movement.
We just need some stoppers. Like a hamonic, tanev vlasic, hjalmarsson, dehaan. This should be the easiest and cheapest thing to get, but we never do
I think we definitely could use a #1. The stopper route we tried with guys like Hainsey, didn't work. Hamonic didn't do that great in Calgary either.
Hainsey has. Just not for this long. He is 37 and playing 2 m shifts. Rielly looks amazing
If it comes down to signing one of Tavares or Carlson, gimme Carlson. We need a top pairing guy to play with Rielly more than a center. If we're being honest though big fish hunting in FA this year would be a bad idea unless we give out short term.
We can do 1 more big deal okay. So pick between C and D.
If we can jettison Zaitsev, Martin and maybe Brown a well, 1 more piece an fit. Not terrible pieces but some team might find more value in them then we currently do.
Boston will be our pain in the ass to reach the promised land for the next 3 yrs till Bergeron Marchant and Chara start to break down.
We need some extra size and toughness.
At forward and defence.
A good start would be Tavares.
Mathew's and Tavares down the middle would be crazy.
He'll you could double shift either one in the playoffs.
Nylander could be traded for a young stud dman.
Drouin for Sergachev
Hall for Larson
Nylander for a young stud dprospect
I'm actually kind of amused that people are still going on about Tavares. It's been pretty obvious all year, that against elite teams, our team has often been exposed as not being strong enough defensively. Of course, there has been games where we've done well too.. These playoffs, while just two games, have exposed our weaknesses further. We are still, one, probably two RHD away from being contenders for the Cup.
I don't know what's going on with Zaitsev, and maybe he'll recover his form enough during the off season, to be one of those guys.. but right now he's not playing up to expectations, or needs.
We could really use Tanev and Carlson at this point, forget about Tavares, but I've been saying this for months.
Trade Nylander for Doughty, sign Tavares and sign Jay Beagle.
Sign JT and package Nylander with a pick and Gardiner or Zaitsev and get that #1
Nylander + 2019 1st + (Zaitsev + Brown) or (Gardiner + Martin)
Doughty + Lewis
Losing to the Bruins won't have an impact on signing UFAs IMO. The sell job will be the same. One could argue that we can say we need said player to help put us over the top
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