Free Agency and Trades Thread: Post deadline wasteland

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  1. Macallan18

    Macallan18 Registered User

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    Don't forget Johnsson!!
     
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    I'm interested to see how Johnsson does tonight both on the PP and 4th line duty. Really like the line he will be playing with:

    Johnsson-Plekanec-Kapanen

    That has the potential to give the Stars fits tonight. Speed, defence and scoring potential.

    Will be interesting.
     
  3. 81Leafs50

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    I have. 6 teams in the NHL are into LTIR right now. It's not a big deal.

    Leafs situation right now:
    LTIRP.BONUS POOLSALARY POOL
    Relief$0$10,550,000
    Usage-$850,000$7,877,499
    Remaining$850,000$2,672,501
     
  4. Boutette

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    That wasn't my point. My point is what happens to the cap next year, and the year after that as LTIR is used and performance bonuses get subtracted from the following year's cap.
     
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    the cap is going up to $85M. With Seattle coming in and adding to revenues, it could even be higher. but at $85M the Leafs can do it.

    23 man roster:
    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Tavares-Marner
    Kapanen-Kadri-Brown
    Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom
    Gauthier - Lievo

    Reilly-Zaitsev
    Gardiner-Liljegren
    Borgman-Dermott
    Rosen

    Andersen
    McElhinney

    FORWARDS (14)
    Right wing: W. Nylander ($6,000,000) - M. Marner ($6,000,000) - C. Brown ($2,100,000) - K. Kapanen ($1,500,000)
    Centre: A. Matthews ($12,000,000) - J. Tavares ($10,000,000) - N. Kadri ($4,500,000) - M. Aaltonen ($1,100,000) - F. Gauthier ($950,000)
    Left wing: Z. Hyman ($2,250,000) - P. Marleau ($6,250,000) - A. Johnsson ($975,000) - C. Grundström ($925,000) - J. Leivo ($1,500,000)
    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: N. Zaitsev ($4,500,000) - T. Liljegren ($925,000) - A. Borgman ($1,750,000)
    Left: M. Rielly ($5,000,000) - J. Gardiner ($5,500,000) - T. Dermott ($863,333) - C. Rosén ($1,100,000)
    GOALTENDER (2)
    F. Andersen ($5,000,000) - C. McElhinney ($1,000,000)

    AHL BURIED
    M. Martin ($1,425,000)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 23
    NHL Salary Cap: $85,000,000
    Cap Hit: $84,313,333
    Cap Space: $686,667
     
  6. SAMCRO44

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    Lots of people have Johnsson in the lineup for the playoffs and next year and he hasn't played a game yet :)
    He may not be a gud pro
     
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    Johnsson is last years Kapanen and this years Dermott. Get into the lineup and don't look back. He will instantly make the team better with his speed, skill and grit. Problem is once Matthews comes back who is out of the lineup???? That's the issue
     
  8. ToneDog

    ToneDog Voice of Reason

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    Given Babs has his favourites, Johnsson will be the odd man out.
     
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    Babcock said Johnsson will probably be a full time leaf next season.
     
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    BertCorbeau Rest in Peace Fugu

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    This is almost like an early try out for Johnsson for next season. He has a huge opportunity to leave a positive mark on Babcock and the organization. If he pushes the envelope and makes a case for being on the playoff run, I doubt you'll see the team look to add a LW in the off-season (especially if JVR goes).
     
  11. SeaOfBlue

    SeaOfBlue No Leaf Left Behind

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    Johnsson is a great player, but "grit" is not really a word that should describe his style of play.
     
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    Team needs to add size and the only place I see that up front is on the LW and at C if they don't sign JT.
     
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    I must be missing something. Not much of a cushion especially with the assumptions that Nylander and Marner will only get $6m/year AAV, and that we will banking on Rosen and two other prospects with little or no NHL experience on our blueline. Seems like it wouldn't take much to see that model fall apart?
     
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    Really because he is the furthest thing from a perimeter player. Plays in front of the net, 75% of his points come within 5 feet of the net. He also goes into the corners unlike some of the other winger we have right now that wont be around next season. I would call that grit. Not to mention every scouting report states he plays a game beyond his size, likes to hit. So that's grit is it not?
     
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    I don't see Marner and Matthews extending this summer. No need. Leafs will need to pay regardless of when they sign them. Why sign everyone this summer when only Nylander is the one that needs to be resigned and without a contract. Everyone can say cause the Leafs will end up paying more if they wait!!!! But why did they wait to extend Nylander until this season? Because the going rate for a player of his service is and always has been between 6-7 million. Same will be done with Marner and Matthews.

    Anything can happen in one season. Marleau can blow out his back next season and we have an additional 6 million to spend!!!! Players can develop on D faster then anticipated (Dermott, Llijgren) and there is no need to spend on D. Players can break out like Brown or Kapanen or Johnsson that make other players expendable to fill other holes!!!!

    No need to re-sign Matthews and Marner this off season. Focus on needs at hand and resign players as you need to because its a must not just because. Either way those players are not going anywhere and if anything they may increase their value going into a contract that if they become expendable because of growth of other players that are signed already, you can trade for a bigger return
     
  16. SeaOfBlue

    SeaOfBlue No Leaf Left Behind

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    So I was looking into DEV, which is an indicator of how likely the prospect makes the NHL (200+ games) multiplied by his expect PS once he gets there. Not the most reliable measure, but I looked at Desrocher. His DEV was 1.412. 25th in the CHL out of all defensemen (59th out of all positions, but forwards typically have a lower PS since most defensemen play at least 16-18 minutes a night, while only the best forwards usually play anywhere near that much; for example Brooks had less than half of Desrocher's DEV because his xPS was much lower) and 1st out of all CHL OA'ers (by over 0.15 DEV to the next guy; only 4 people had over 1.0), so he was technically the best OA player (or at least defenseman) last year by a good margin.

    How this guy was not able to earn at least an AHL deal from us is beyond me.

    Also quite interesting, Rasanen was 13th out of all CHL defensemen last year... In his draft year. He went above some guys who went in the first round, and the only guys who beat him were Bouchard (expected top 10 pick), or guys who went in the first round in that draft or a previous draft.
     
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    SeaOfBlue No Leaf Left Behind

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    Not being a perimeter player does not mean you are a gritty player. Unless it's a binary system.

    He's not going to hang back and will go to dirty areas to get pucks or score, but that's very shallow criteria for what at least I consider "real" gritty players have to do, which is win a lot of physical battles. Johnsson does not do that, and I've read more than a few scouting reports on him and none of them say he "likes to hit" or "plays above his size". He's more like Kapanen, and I'm pretty sure nobody calls Kapanen a "gritty" player.
     
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    Oh cool, I missed that? Did Babcock say this recently?
     
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    what about The bonuses that are rolled over from the previous year potentially? right now that could be as much as 3.7 million according to cap geek, you also missed the 1.2 million in retained salary to Kessel and Seattle wont be in the NHL by the 19-20 season so that 85 million number is all speculation.
     
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    I don't know which reports you have been reading or Marlie games you have been watching, but the kid plays with much more grit then some currently on our team. Kid is a gamer and doesn't let his size impact what he has to do.
     
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    didn't he say similar about kapanen last year around this time?
     
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    He said it either yesterday or today.
     
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    Had interest in him as a potential C signing, as did many others.
     
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    But never Leivo :D
     
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    no no never leivo. Never go full leivo.

    I mean Im pretty sure he said something similar about Kapanen last season who still went down and played 28 games with the marlies. Babcock isn't a guy to say something as definitive as he will be here next year, he would never guarantee a rookie a place.
     
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