Free Agency and Trades Thread: Post deadline wasteland

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Warden of the North, Feb 27, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
View Users: View Users
  1. IBeL34f

    IBeL34f Lilly-grin

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    7,310
    Likes Received:
    1,523
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Toronto
    Fair enough
     
  2. taurine330

    taurine330 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2015
    Messages:
    3,487
    Likes Received:
    225
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Helsinki
    Nash could definitely provide better 2-way play but Kovalchuk would be more lethal goal-scorer. His defensive game isn't bad either.
     
  3. WTFMAN99

    WTFMAN99 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    22,767
    Likes Received:
    1,369
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    AC
    Location:
    SHARE MY BLOG! FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER! WTFMAN999
    '

    Just haven't been impressed by Kovalchuk internationally like Olympics/WC since his depature for the KHL. Still out there that the disc issue with his back has been lingering, or at least taken something out of his skating. Won't deny he'd be a lethal weapon on the PP but not sure where else he'd help us.

    I mean between Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Kadri that is already a hell of a start to a good PP unit.
     
  4. taurine330

    taurine330 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2015
    Messages:
    3,487
    Likes Received:
    225
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Helsinki
    Good points.

    I must admit my personal bias towards Ilya.
     
  5. WTFMAN99

    WTFMAN99 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    22,767
    Likes Received:
    1,369
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    AC
    Location:
    SHARE MY BLOG! FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER! WTFMAN999
    I wouldn't be upset if we added him, just if I had a choice, it's Nash just because I think he can play up and down the line up and I think he won't take anything away from Tavares offensively but he will help him so much defensively.

    If we added Kovalchuk though, one hell of a one timer option, I could see Marner feeding him on a PP unit all day.
     
  6. Muston Atthews

    Muston Atthews Bunch of Bangerz

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Messages:
    27,720
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    Tavares>Kovalchuk>Thornton>JVR

    Is the order Id want us to sign them in. Put Doughty/Karlsson before all
     
  7. SAMCRO44

    SAMCRO44 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    9,681
    Likes Received:
    1,523
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hamilton, ON
    Are the Leafs going to turn into retirement haven again?
     
    Kelly likes this.
  8. taurine330

    taurine330 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2015
    Messages:
    3,487
    Likes Received:
    225
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Helsinki
    I'm not looking to give anyone retirement contract. I was talking about signing Kovalchuk for one year. He can prove that he can still play in the NHL and someone else can sign him afterwards.
     
  9. BlueForever75

    BlueForever75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2017
    Messages:
    1,986
    Likes Received:
    301
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't believe we need to sign any more wingers moving forward. We have enough of those.

    The issue at hand is we don't have center depth after Bozak leaves and Plekanec becomes a free agent and goes back to Montreal. The second issue is trying to upgrade the defense if we can.

    At center we should be targeting Tavares>RNH>Thornton.

    On defense we should be targeting Da Haan>Tanev>Klefbom
     
  10. hockeynorth

    hockeynorth Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2017
    Messages:
    998
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Johnsson and Rosen are recalled
     
  11. BlueForever75

    BlueForever75 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2017
    Messages:
    1,986
    Likes Received:
    301
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Gender:
    Male
    Interesting!!!!

    Rosen probably for Zaitsev as he is still ill. But I wonder who for Johnsson???? Leivo out him in?
     
  12. MyBudJT

    MyBudJT Formerly WILDLIFEGUY

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    Messages:
    1,220
    Likes Received:
    579
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Gender:
    Male
    I know its early... but whats the chances we trade Leivo this offseason... ?

    Maybe at the draft...?

    To NYR:
    Josh Leivo

    To TOR:
    BOS 3rd round pick

    or maybe:

    To NYR:
    Josh Leivo
    Connor Carrick

    To TOR:
    NJ 2nd
    NYR 6th 2019
     
  13. -DeMo-

    -DeMo- Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2006
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Occupation:
    School
    Location:
    Huntsville Ontario
    imo we do need that big powerforward on the wing long term, someone who can play JVR's role, and I'm not talking about someone like Lucic whose unskilled, but a player capable of putting up 50ish points and behind a strong net presences and strong on the fore check.
     
    SAMCRO44 likes this.
  14. SeaOfBlue

    SeaOfBlue No Leaf Left Behind

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    17,526
    Likes Received:
    678
    Trophy Points:
    139
    If we do not plan on using them, then Leivo and Carrick should be on the trade block. Too valuable to be sitting out as much as they have but at the same time there may not be a role for them to fill for us.
     
  15. Menzinger

    Menzinger Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2014
    Messages:
    20,556
    Likes Received:
    2,435
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Professional Student
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    The Leafs May have a ton of capspace in 18/19, but things will get much tighter in 19/20.

    They don’t have the room to sign a vet UFA winger on a multi year deal imo, nor does it make much sense given the large number of wingers on the Marlies who will be looking for NHL jobs over the next couple seasons
     
  16. jaric1862

    jaric1862 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    110
    Trophy Points:
    66
    John Carlson is our Missing piece, i say we try and get him for 8Mx7. We also have enough cap space to sign Thornton to a 1 year deal. This would be my dream lineup for next year

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    Johnsson-Thornton-Kapanen
    Grundstrom-Aaltonen-Brown
    Leivo-Gauthier

    Gardiner-Carlson
    Rielly-Hainsey
    Dermott-Zaitsev
    Carrick

    Andersen
    Pickard/Sparks

    I think this is a clear Stanley cup contender
     
  17. IWD

    IWD ...

    Joined:
    May 28, 2003
    Messages:
    6,381
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Home Page:
    Nash would be good as a replacement for JVR. He'd be great for cycling and size up front. Imagine Nash-Tavares-Marner? Ridiculous.
     
  18. The CyNick

    The CyNick Follow @ TheCyNick

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    8,300
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Isles had no interest in JVR last summer, why would it be any different now?

    If the Isles can't sign Tavares why would JVR be lining up to sign there? It just didn'td make sense.
     
  19. The CyNick

    The CyNick Follow @ TheCyNick

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    8,300
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    94
    It's ignorant to think a player like Tavares needs MLSE to broker an endorsement deal. You ever notice Stamkos does national commercials? You think MLSE got him those deals?

    The type of deal you are taking about would more benefit a guy like Tie Domi, who would have been a nobody playing in a lame market like Tampa, but by playing here became something of an icon. Likely playing here led him to more dollars. But for a Tavares, it will make essentially no difference.
     
    mulefarm likes this.
  20. IWD

    IWD ...

    Joined:
    May 28, 2003
    Messages:
    6,381
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Home Page:
    Players and agents need all the help that they can get. I'm afraid that there's no reason to assume that Stamkos would make just as much money in endorsements in Tampa as he would in Toronto.
     
    ToneDog likes this.
  21. ToneDog

    ToneDog Voice of Reason

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,863
    Likes Received:
    926
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Richmond Hill, ON
    Isles wanted more than JVR for Hammonic. Who's to say they would not be interested in JVR as a UFA, especially if they fail to sign JT, in which case they will need goals and may want to throw their fans a bone.
     
  22. 81Leafs50

    81Leafs50 Registered User

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,587
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Location:
    Toronto
    this same management group did kick tires on Stamkos, in fact they did more than just kick tires. The Leafs offer to Stamkos was substantial, but he felt like there was unfinished business in Tampa and so he signed back.

    suffice it to say the Leafs will "kick tires" on Tavares as well.

    Leafs have just over $16.5M coming off the books in terms of salary this offseason in Polak (1.1M), Moore (1M), Komarov (2.95M), Plekanec (3M), Bozak (4.2M), and JVR (4.25M).

    All of these players will be gone and replaced by Marlies or UFA's.

    In the following offseason Leafs will lose another 2 contracts in Gardiner and Hainsey. I see Gardiner getting moved and Hainsey maybe brought back on a cheap Roman Polak like deal if at all. So that is another $7.05M coming off the books.

    Leafs can afford any ONE of Tavares, Doughty, Karlsson, etc if they wish to add.

    I see the Leafs going to a model of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Reilly as their main guys and trying to add another STAR player with the rest of the roster being filled out by Marlies graduates.

    The trump card the Leafs for 2 more season beyond this season is the contract of NATHAN HORTON! thats an additional $5.3M in cap space should they need it!

    face it, the Leafs can talk to any UFA and can afford ANY UFA. What the actual plan is going forward we will see come July 1. but interesting times are ahead for this team as they get better and better.
     
  23. -DeMo-

    -DeMo- Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2006
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Occupation:
    School
    Location:
    Huntsville Ontario
    Horton does not give us anymore Cap Space, we are allowed to exceed the cap by his amount but Horton's contract still counts against our Cap. so with or without him we don't get anymore cap space.

    also in the 19-20 year we already have 38.2 million locked up in 9 players add another 24 million for Matthews/Marner/Nylander(unless they bridge 1 or 2), and were up to around 62 million with 12 guys signed, meaning we would roughly have 23ish million(horton 5.3) depending on the upper limit to sign the other 11 players to make up a 23 man roster. so unless we move salary out not sure we can afford more. if you add a tavares at 10 then you need 10 more players for 13 million. or Doughty/Karlsson same thing.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2018
  24. Boutette

    Boutette Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2017
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    362
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Gender:
    Male
    No it actually isn't. You should really look into what dipping into LTIR money actually does re:performance bonuses.
     
  25. Stand Witness

    Stand Witness JT

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    8,092
    Likes Received:
    822
    Trophy Points:
    95
    Location:
    London, ON
    I could honestly see Tavares being the guy who will take a discount to sign with the team he wants. I can't see him chasing money because I think he is the guy chasing a cup.

    We have:
    1) A great chance to win over his contract
    2) His hometown and team he grew up cheering for
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"