Frederik Andersen in playoff elimination games

[tarheelhockey]

Hold the post. In that situation, Kreider couldn't do anything to score if he just holds the post and stays still.

Sure, if he had psychic powers and knew what was going to happen in advance, so that he could ignore the play and just block the spot where the shot would be coming from, that would have worked out nicely.

In reality, he was following the play and had already begun to shift his weight in order to slide across and defend the far post. The puck arrived at his feet from behind the net just as he was mid-pivot, and he had to reverse that motion instantly. There was no option to just stand still… the game is played on skates, and his shift in balance had already set in motion a brief separation from the post.

In that split second, there was one other Rangers player within shouting distance of the net, and that player was allowed to go unmolested to the crease and jam the puck over Andersen’s skate before he had time to take any other action besides using his glove to cover as much of the post as he could.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Playoff series was a mismatch. Still, goalies need to hold their teams in it when the skaters are getting hemmed in. Kreider imposed his will on the net.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

What? Goals 1 and 2 were 100% on Freddy. What part of them was "unsavable"?

Especially goal 1 he's making clown jumps and battling windmills when he's supposed to be goaltending.

He was also bailed out of another soft goal by martinook

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Yes, it was tipped about 5ft from goal by Trocheck.


You know it was tipped by the guy right in front of him, right?

First of all. I hate when people call goals "unsaveable" bit is the dumbest embellishment because goalies make ridiculous saves on scoring chances worse than 80 of the goals people call unsaveable and are stopping unsavable goals all the time.

With that rant out of the way lets look at the goals. First goal being tipped is irrelevant. If freddy is in position and not falling down the tipped puck still likely hits him. Honestly the puck was still going in if it wasnt tipped. Freddy lost the puck and didnt even see the shot and left half the net open. 95% of goaltending is positioning and just challenging and giving the shooters as littlenofnan angle as possible because they will always score if given big target. Anderson didnt there.


2nd goal- also a bad goal. Freddy needs to lock down the post. That cant happen.

3rd goal is the closest any of the goals were to unsavable but that term is still dumb puck was tipped into top corner on a play freddy has to drop down on. Not gonna blame him at all.

4th goal. Not really one you especially blame on goalke on cross, but certainly not unstoppable if goalje has fast reactions. Freddy was totally slkw on following that the puck was crossed


Burt goals 1 and 2 were badly played by freddy. And goalies are supposed to do morenthan make routine saves. Ahl goalies can make routine saves. Thaz people can defend play saying well inly 1 goal was weak is crazy to me. Sometimes 0 weak goals can still be bad goaltending if they dont make big saves. Butnto even accept 1 weak goal a game from a starter while making no big saves is especially mind boggling. Freddy was bad. He also was spared another weak goal by a goal line save from martinook.

 

[BLONG7]

With all due respect to Freddy, he was at fault for 1 of the 4 goals. The other 3 were unsavable.

Canes fans just using Freddy as the fall guy.

The goal that opened the floodgates to the collapse, was a bad goal. It was a bad goal, and gave the Rangers the momentum they needed.
0-8 in elimination games, says he can not handle the pressure....

 

[Tryamw]

With all due respect to Freddy, he was at fault for 1 of the 4 goals. The other 3 were unsavable.

Canes fans just using Freddy as the fall guy.

Um.. 2 in the last game

 

[FiveTacos]

And goalies are supposed to do more than make routine saves. Ahl goalies can make routine saves. Thaz people can defend play saying well inly 1 goal was weak is crazy to me. Sometimes 0 weak goals can still be bad goaltending if they dont make big saves. But to even accept 1 weak goal a game from a starter while making no big saves is especially mind boggling. Freddy was bad. He also was spared another weak goal by a goal line save from martinook.

Yeah, obviously step 1 is not being a bad goalie by giving up a bunch of weak goals, and Andersen is by no means a bad goalie ... he's not a total disaster in net. But step 2 in being a money goalie is coming up with difficult saves at opportune moments, and he's got a long history of not being in the upper echelon in that regard. Then again, if he was that kind of goalie, he probably wins at least one Cup in Anaheim and is never traded, right?

Every hockey fan knows the feeling of trying to come back against one of those goalies who knows how to slam the door with a lead. And many fans know the feeling of having a guy in net who you have that kind of confidence in where you know he's gonna close it out. I can absolutely confirm as someone who has rooted both for and against teams he's played on, Andersen is not THAT GUY.

It's not unlike criticisms of, say, great scorers who don't necessarily completely tank in the playoffs, but they also don't seem to be quite as dominant in the postseason. They're the guys where the supporters say, "hey he still put up okay numbers over the series, he was still productive," while detractors point out, "he was invisible for long stretches, didn't play nearly like the regular season MVP level guy he usually is." And the thing is both camps are probably right. There's plenty of room between playoff choker and playoff hero.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

How anyone can defend that 2nd goal is beyond me. That was unforgivable and gave the Rags momentum to get back in it. He was in no way ready for the initial shot, which is why he didn't cover it right away like a HS goalie would. f***ing loser.

 

[llamateizer]

Old picture but this is Freddy Andersen’s career in a nutshell. He did it in Anaheim, the Leafs and now Carolina for years. The Leafs did the right choice moving on from him. He is a playoff chocker and the pressure gets to him when closing series or elimination games.

Frederik Andersen is 3-1 (1.97 GAA, 0.926 SV%) with the Hurricanes with Series Clinching Games. Toronto is the problem

2022 - he didn't played
2023 -
1st round - CAR lead 3 wins vs Islander. Lost 3-2. Raanta was the losing goaltender
CAR elimination win vs Islanders Win 2-1. Andersen was the winning goaltender ( 1 GA, 0.971)

2nd round - CAR elimination win vs Devils. Win 3-2. Andersen was the winning goaltender (2 GA, 0.931)
3rd round - FLA wins

2024 -
1st round - CAR lead 3 wins vs Islanders. Lost 3-2 2OT. Andersen was the losing goaltender (3 GA, 0.914)
- CAR elimination win vs Islander. Win 6-3. Andersen was the winning goaltender (3 GA, 0.875

 

[Ratsreign]

Still trying to figure out why he just didn’t keep his skate up against the post on the one goal. Worst case is Kreider pokes it loose and it goes alongside/behind the net and they fight on to clear the puck.....a slurpee brained play.

 

[Bleedred]

With all due respect to Freddy, he was at fault for 1 of the 4 goals. The other 3 were unsavable.

Canes fans just using Freddy as the fall guy.

Ummm, no. The first goal was also bad as well. He looked like he was electrocuted by a live wire on the ice or slipped on an invisible banana peel. That’s the second time he’s done that in these playoffs.

The difference in this series was Shesterkin vs Andersen.

How many bad or saveable goals did Shesterkin allow last night? None.

Andersen was bad in every game and only once did he allow under 3 goals in a game. That was game 5 where he allowed 1 goal and even that was a bad one to cost him the shutout.

He let in an absolutely inexcusable goal late in game 1 when it looked like Carolina were marching back.

He let in two (arguably three) bad goals in game 2, while Shesterkin faced close to 20 more shots than he did and allowed one fewer goal.

He let in a pretty bad one in game 4, maybe even 2 when they snuck out with their first win of the series.

I literally counted about 8 stoppable goals on him this series and 2 on Shesterkin and those 2 weren’t even that bad.

This is the kind of playoff series that gets a goalie exiled out of town. Between that and the fact that he’ll be 35 years old at the start of next season and they can likely get the same performance out of a cheaper goalie behind their team than one making $3.4 million, I think that’s probably it for him.

 

[5cotland]

An .878% for series and absolutely deflating and series changing goal says otherwise. Guy was leaky all series and quite lucky he didn’t give up more.

What? Goals 1 and 2 were 100% on Freddy. What part of them was "unsavable"?

Especially goal 1 he's making clown jumps and battling windmills when he's supposed to be goaltending.

2 of 4. Plus a leaker that was only saved by Martinook's stick. He had a bad day, even for him. No use sugar-coating it. The only thing the Rangers did was diligently exploit the huge, self-inflicted wound that was a goalie playing well below playoff quality standard. Good on ya, but that's what it was.

First of all. I hate when people call goals "unsaveable" bit is the dumbest embellishment because goalies make ridiculous saves on scoring chances worse than 80 of the goals people call unsaveable and are stopping unsavable goals all the time.

With that rant out of the way lets look at the goals. First goal being tipped is irrelevant. If freddy is in position and not falling down the tipped puck still likely hits him. Honestly the puck was still going in if it wasnt tipped. Freddy lost the puck and didnt even see the shot and left half the net open. 95% of goaltending is positioning and just challenging and giving the shooters as littlenofnan angle as possible because they will always score if given big target. Anderson didnt there.


2nd goal- also a bad goal. Freddy needs to lock down the post. That cant happen.

3rd goal is the closest any of the goals were to unsavable but that term is still dumb puck was tipped into top corner on a play freddy has to drop down on. Not gonna blame him at all.

4th goal. Not really one you especially blame on goalke on cross, but certainly not unstoppable if goalje has fast reactions. Freddy was totally slkw on following that the puck was crossed


Burt goals 1 and 2 were badly played by freddy. And goalies are supposed to do morenthan make routine saves. Ahl goalies can make routine saves. Thaz people can defend play saying well inly 1 goal was weak is crazy to me. Sometimes 0 weak goals can still be bad goaltending if they dont make big saves. Butnto even accept 1 weak goal a game from a starter while making no big saves is especially mind boggling. Freddy was bad. He also was spared another weak goal by a goal line save from martinook.

The goal that opened the floodgates to the collapse, was a bad goal. It was a bad goal, and gave the Rangers the momentum they needed.
0-8 in elimination games, says he can not handle the pressure....

Um.. 2 in the last game

Honestly...I dont care

Im still on my buzz after last night and was trying to be generous to a Canes player who I knew would be enemy no.1

I'm gonna ride this high until the ECF starts and exit this thread because quite frankly I dont care enough about the Canes to continue

 

[innitfam]

Strange to put this up when he just won 2 elimination games

 

[Nyr88nyg]

He and Shesty both let in two softies in that game. Last two goals by rangers were not Andersen’s fault. Get over it

 

[647Hockey]

How is he supposed to save a tip in redirect from 5ft away from the goal?

???

Goal one he was caught out of position after a Cane flubbed a pass and Trochek nailed a quick snapshot from 30 or 40 ft out.

Goal two he played the strong side weak and Kreider banged home close in shot because he wasnt flush on the ice/post. Another weak one where he was sloppy like in game 5 against columbus letting in a sharp angle goal.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Oofah

 

[5cotland]

???

Goal one he was caught out of position after a Cane flubbed a pass and Trochek nailed a quick snapshot from 30 or 40 ft out.

Goal two he played the strong side weak and Kreider banged home close in shot because he wasnt flush on the ice/post. Another weak one where he was sloppy like in game 5 against columbus letting in a sharp angle goal.

Re-watch it my friend.

You are wrong.

 

[Levitate]

Still trying to figure out why he just didn’t keep his skate up against the post on the one goal. Worst case is Kreider pokes it loose and it goes alongside/behind the net and they fight on to clear the puck.....a slurpee brained play.

He did have his skate up against the post. When Kreider poked the puck it chipped up over his skate and just between the gap of his pad and the post.

There are always little gaps between pads etc that a goalie can get unlucky with and that was kind of one of them. Mainly he was also having to recover from starting to move off his post before Zibanejad flung it back into him so he couldn't just setup and hug the post instantly and freeze the puck right away. It was pretty bang bang as well, he didn't have all day to get that covered.

That said, probably could have played it better, seems to be a bit wobbly on his skates at times.

Don't think the 1st goal is as much on him as people make it out to be other than again, his balance on his skates doesn't seem to be the best and it made it more difficult for him to regain his feet and locate the puck and move in his net. But his D literally passed the puck right to Panarin who one timed it and then the puck was deflected...a whole lot went on in that sequence and just saying Anderson screwed it up is ignoring a lot of what happened.

 

[pld459666]

The first goal was unsaveable? Am I blind?

You must be.

A deflection that close is pretty much unsaveable unless you are lucky.

That first goal was begging to happen even if he didnt slip because he was totally caught out of position being slow to track and be ready for the puck.

You'll see after the puck comes out from the mass of players, it goes to a Cane and he messes up that pass. But you'll see Freddie pretty much chill out thinking his teammate would control the puck. Turns out the pass goes to trocheck for a long wrist shot and he was so caught of position it might had made no difference anyway. Also, he probably slipped because he was out of position and tripped trying to get back in the net.

WTF are you talking about.

Panarin took the shot, Trochek deflected it.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

How is he supposed to save a tip in redirect from 5ft away from the goal?

By being in position and out in front of the net?

 

[5cotland]

By being in position and out in front of the net?

So he should have saved Kreiders tip in then for the equiliser?

 

[34]

Sorry. No matter who you blame it on, the Leafs are the chokers.

He has not played for the Leafs in years. Yeah?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

For that matter, this is the second round of the playoffs. He won the elimination game in the first round, which is how we got here.

What is OP even trying to express? That he’s winless in games where his team lost?

It's Exhibit A for how to cherry pick stats to come to a conclusion you want to draw.

 

[Frank Drebin]

First and second goals were trash. Skinner esque

 

[647Hockey]

You must be.

A deflection that close is pretty much unsaveable unless you are lucky.



WTF are you talking about.

Panarin took the shot, Trochek deflected it.

Ah crap. My mistake. That goal I saw replays and not live. IMO, Freddy was still out of position because he chilled out being lax when he saw a Cane player getting control of the puck. He should had been more focused. That's why when the puck floated over to Panarin, he acted wild trying to get back in net and stumbled.