Frazer McLaren VS Carter Ashton

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  1. Mystifo

    Mystifo No more Mr.FightGuy

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    So with time passing McLaren is getting closer and closer to being 100% my qeustion to you leaf fans is... Who do you see being more effective on the 4th line?
     
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    McLaren easy
     
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    McLaren easily
     
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    Mclaren. He brings intimidation factor and better hits.

    Ashton just looks useless out there.
     
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    Depends on the opponent and the amount of icetime they would be required to play. If for example it's the typical 4th line game of 7-8minutes, then I'd probably give the edge to McLaren. He's an intimidating force, and can bang bodies alot more effectively than Ashton. If the 4th line is needed for more support, ie 10-12 minutes, then yeah I'd probably give Ashton a shot. He's a good 13 forward.
     
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    Ashton brings a whole lot of nothing to this team
     
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    with a few more guys that have size and a bit more skill and speed in bodie, broll and ashton...i dont think we need both mcclaren and orr most nights just cus they're better fighters
     
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    McLaren 3 goals 2 apples in 30 games last year and brings the enormous hits and intimidation factor

    Thats a great 4th lines plus he can skate
     
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    Just for the fact Carlyle could throw Clarkson out there with Larry and Orr for a shift or two to get things moving, makes McLaren the easy winner in this poll. Underrated, brings a slightly deranged attitude, and scares the willies out of the opposition. Missing element so far from last season.
     
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    If Orr could only learn to not cough up the puck, these two with McClement could have a very good cycle game. Players don't like to follow Orr or McLaren into the corners, they give them much more space then they should. Both players get huge points for intimidation factor.

    I like Ashton's heart, but he needs time playing this role in the AHL effectively, needs to bring more than just heart & energy.

    EDIT: Talking about Orr and McLaren in the first part.
     
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    The Oiler game was void of any physical play and it was a pond hockey game...we need to get back to tough hockey

    Fraser's return will solidify D and there will be no Taylor Hall leaning on Bernie in the net...
     
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    For the amount of minutes that Carlisle plays his 4th line, I think McLaren is a better it. He's a bigger body who can take some of the pressure off of Orr. Ashton may be the better forechecker with his footspeed, but he's not putting up numbers (not that anyone playing on a line with McClement and Orr should be expected to).
     
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    McLaren established himself as a feared goon in the NHL last year. He brings a lot more physicality than Ashton in the lineup, and McLaren can fight with the best of them..
     
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    I'm so relieved McLaren is winning this poll. Faith restored.
     
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    Have to agree, the intimidation factor he brings alone makes him more valuable than Ashton.
     
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    Agreed.. same thing goes for the game against the Avs.

    We need to be a punishing team and get the opposition to play our game, not theirs.

    You do that by finishing every check and annihilating the toughest guy on the opposite bench in a fight or with a big hit. Get in their heads.
     
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    yup. we're missing McLaren big time.
     
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    Ashton looked tough playing against other prospects.

    NHL players? Not at all
     
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    McLaren and it's not close!
     
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    Went with McLaren... kinda surprised this poll is so lopsided but then again Ashton has done nothing.

    I would go with

    McLaren > Broll > Bodie > Devane > Ashton

    I also agree that with all these guys out we're playing less physical hockey and more end to end which we shouldn't be playing. IIRC Clarkson has 4 games left, Fraser has 7, Kulemin has 8 and Mclaren has 5 so we'll be getting some physicality back by next week.
     
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    I think a better question is McLaren vs. Orr. And to be honest I choose McLaren. McLaren I think is a little more mobile, he's big and hits just as hard as Orr and runs a better forecheck. He's also pretty close to Orr in terms of fighting ability IMO.

    Ashton hasn't done anything to impress. He really hasn't earned NHL ice time and I don't think he ever really deserved the hype he got from the initial trade.
     
  23. Mr Scarface*

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    Certainly we are.

    He brings that whole lot of certain type of energy that's missing. Just looks the part so... PERFECTLY. The guy is pure hardness all around and just a real ass actor through out. The game itself is also about acting and looking the part. Looking hard. Practice looking hard is the term I'm using here again. Not many people will bring that guy attitude into the game McLaren brings... he really does it strongly out there and lets his nutz hung. Not afraid of no muther****ers he brings that fight every night. He also doesn't talk TOO MUCH, rather just laugh a bit and look the other guy like... "if you do one more thing.... I'm almost hoping you take that one more step..."
     
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    Considering how little activity/value I've seen from our fourth line six games in, it's too soon to say, but based on their respective skillsets Ashton strikes me as more of a third-line winger/energy guy than a fourth line guy, so for a fourth line setup I'd be picking McLaren.
     
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    Get rid of Orr. Hes awful. Keep McLaren.
     

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