Recalled/Assigned: Frank Corrado (AHL), Zach Hamill (AHL), and Brendan Gaunce (OHL) sent down

[maroon 6]

You guys need to take a breather. Corrado was obviously better than Alberts but if Alberts plays in the regular season like he did in the preseason then Corrado will be up soon. Similar to the Ebbett/Schroeder fiasco last year.

 

[Drop the Sopel]

I would be more worried if I didn't think Corrado would play 50 plus games at the NHL level this season. IMO he will.

This happened to Schroeder last year. He ended up playing most of the year in Vancouver.

 

[Ozone]

Ha, I think I have been calling Horvath all along or maybe it's the lack of sleep.

I guessed that....just having a bit of fun bud.

 

[Kirk Mclean]

I think its better to just dress 5 D than to actually have both Alberts and Weber in the lineup and on the same pairing, i mean it.

 

[dbaz]

better off in the ahl for the full year, he needs top minutes in all areas to develop and wont get them if hes in the nhl. also this is a different year than last, you could say playing the amount of games he did before coming to the canucks last year made him look a bit better, as lots of players came in out of shape and unprepared last year and it affected them all year. theres no point rushing him for a 6th/7th dman spot.

 

[canucksfan]

I guessed that....just having a bit of fun bud.

I searched my posts and for the most part it has been Horvath. I wished it was the lack of sleep.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Horvath sounds better than Horvat though.

 

[Ozone]

I searched my posts and for the most part it has been Horvath. I wished it was the lack of sleep.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Horvath sounds better than Horvat though.

Just watch....now I'll inadvertently call him that now too. It's stuck in my head!

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm actually trying to be generous on Alberts. I still thought he wasn't very good last season. He got away from making obvious mistakes, but his gap control still stunk and our offense died when he was on the ice. Over his last 16 games of the season, when he was 'playing well', he was a -9.

And again, if we care so much about icetime and development, why are we sticking a less-ready, younger prospect into a much smaller role?

Gonna disregard the +/- comment because I know you know that it isn't indicative of much.

He played as a #6 or better for more than 16 games, that's what I remember. I want to say at least half the season, but it's guess work for me. I didn't think it was only 16 games though.

Horvat and Shinkaruk are up for only a short time. I'm expecting both to be gone before 9 games. Those games aren't likely to affect them too much, developmentally speaking.

 

[Outside99*]

Disgraceful.

The guy made the team. Badly outplayed the two established players ahead of him.

This comes after all the talk heading into camp about 'veterans losing jobs' and 'young guys needing to step up'. Alberts was just horrendous, as bad as he could possibly be. He should have lost his job. Awful player.

And the ridiculous thing is that we're sending down the one young player who looks ready to make an impact at this level, while we keep up two forwards who don't look remotely ready at all.

I've been a big Gillis supporter, but stuff like this makes you wonder if he's losing he plot. Reminds of the 2007 training camp where Edler was sent down after being the team's best player in preseason, while a hopelessly unready Mason Raymond was kept on the squad.

Take it easy MS. Torts said 6-7 minutes in the NHL vs 25-30 in the AHL. Why 6-7 minutes? Probably because they're going to roll with 5 D, that's what they did in the 2011-12 playoffs. So it makes sense (as does carrying 7 D).

 

[Bleach Clean]

I would be more worried if I didn't think Corrado would play 50 plus games at the NHL level this season. IMO he will.

This happened to Schroeder last year. He ended up playing most of the year in Vancouver.

Yeah most likely. With the team carrying 7 Dmen and having a tougher schedule than last year, odds are that Corrado does draw in for a heavy stint regardless. That's another reason not to be too worked about this.

He's gonna be a Canuck. Beyond that, it's all about development.

 

[tc 23]

Tough for Frankie after having an excellent training camp and preseason. However, great opportunity for him to have top minutes in a professional league to continue to develop his game. He'll be back up sooner than later.

 

[MS]

I would be more worried if I didn't think Corrado would play 50 plus games at the NHL level this season. IMO he will.

This happened to Schroeder last year. He ended up playing most of the year in Vancouver.

He should be playing 80. Or at least getting the chance to.

The fact that the right decision might be made in the end doesn't excuse a horrible decision being made now.

And again, as much as the nuts and bolts of the decision drive me nuts, the optics are almost as bad. You tell your young players they have a chance of making the team and ousting a veteran, and then you do this to the one young player who really excelled this preseason.

 

[enuck]

Let's hope Corrado takes the news well, cause I know that I wouldn't.

He'll have Shinkaruk and Horvat to emotionally hold him through this devastating time as soon as Kassian and Weiss are back.

 

[tc 23]

Let's hope Corrado takes the news well, cause I know that I wouldn't.

Good thing Frankie is a quality character kid who will play with the chip on his shoulder and continue to get better, unlike McPrimaDonna.

 

[Ernie]

While I wholly agree that Corrado deserves a spot more than Horvat or Shinkaruk, the Canucks have more openings at forward than they do on defense. Weber looks to be potentially useful. It will be interesting to see how he does if he's paired up with a more reliable defenseman, such as Hamhuis, Garrison, or Tanev.

Alberts? Well, he's a 7th defenseman. A warm body for the press box. I suspect that Corrado will be called up if the Canucks have any injuries on defense, and he'll get into games immediately.

 

[BassMason]

How good is this kid going to be? Kind of hard not to get a little excited.

 

[MS]

Gonna disregard the +/- comment because I know you know that it isn't indicative of much.

He played as a #6 or better for more than 16 games, that's what I remember. I want to say at least half the season, but it's guess work for me. I didn't think it was only 16 games though.

Horvat and Shinkaruk are up for only a short time. I'm expecting both to be gone before 9 games. Those games aren't likely to affect them too much, developmentally speaking.

Alberts' peripherals were terrible. He's an offensive non-entity with lousy gap control who gives opponents tons of time to make plays. Despite the occasional big hit, he's actually a ridiculously soft defender who is extremely easy to play against for skill players.

And he only played 24 games + 4 playoff games.

And if Corrado is kept up but not receiving icetime, he can be sent down after a few games as well. It's not like they're forced to keep him for the year if they keep him now.

Take it easy MS. Torts said 6-7 minutes in the NHL vs 25-30 in the AHL. Why 6-7 minutes? Probably because they're going to roll with 5 D, that's what they did in the 2011-12 playoffs. So it makes sense (as does carrying 7 D).

If Alberts is cut too, I'll be slightly more OK with this. Edit - no, he won't be. He's now the #7, of course. They'd better claim somebody on waivers.

 

[shottasasa]

Take it easy MS. Torts said 6-7 minutes in the NHL vs 25-30 in the AHL. Why 6-7 minutes? Probably because they're going to roll with 5 D, that's what they did in the 2011-12 playoffs. So it makes sense (as does carrying 7 D).

I agree that Corrado outplayed Alberts and Weber but I Listened to Torts press conference and I think it was a decision based on what is best for Corrado and will have minimal impact on the team. We have an established top 5 and it looks like the 6 and 7 d-men will swap in and out, so it makes sense to send Corrado down to get big minutes. The 6th dman on any given night will likely only play 10 mins so the effect on the team will be minimal. Weber can play 10 sheltered minutes and so can Alberts adequately.

If there is an injury to the top 5 then we may see Corrado slot in. This is hardly disgraceful. Also, so what if they said they want to push to get youth in the lineup? They aren't going to do what they feel is right just because a few people got too caught up with that quote and ran with. So eevryone please stop bringing up "but in the summer they said...."

 

[DRich82]

We have more to gain with Corrado in Utica playing 25 mins than we have to lose having Weber as our sixth dman playing marginal even strength minutes and playing as a PP specialist.

Losing Alberts to waivers, roster flexibility, etc are all factors here. Plus I gotta say Frankie isn't the 2nd coming of Bobby Orr...MS is acting like he is a top-4, 20 minute a night quality dman. He's young and he's going to make mistakes when he goes up against proven NHLers nightly. Just maybe he's not quite as ready as you think??

WHEN a dman gets hurt, he'll be the first callup, and get more minutes than Weber and Alberts since he's better suited to even strength.

You call it gutless. I call it sound, prudent, and long-term. The slightest of short term pain for long term gain.

 

[NonBruinHatingCanuck]

What do you guys think of Shinkaruk and Horvat making the team? I am pretty excited to see some

rookies but I wanted to see Corrado. Corrado still counts as a rookie right?

If he does I was thinking he could have been a darkhorse candidate for rookie of the year if none of

star forwards lights it up like many of us are expecting.


I personally think it will be good for Bo and Hunter to get 9 games in anyways. Im sure they will take

that confidence back to Junior or maybe one of them plays the full season...

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Gaunce and the other one were predictable, but Corrado? Damn. Oh well.

 

[BeardedCanuck]

Hopefully this is the case Alberts is our 8th Dman, he keeps his spot on the team, for those games where you need an extra big body. Weber made the team becuase it's better for Corrado's development to get 1st pairing minutes in the AHL then 3rd pairing minutes in the NHL. I believe Corrado is a better player then Weber but with 3rd pairing minutes Weber can hold his own if he has a good partner, and that this will benefit Corrado's development.

 

[TruGr1t]

I agree with MS... Give Corrado his development time or whatever. But get that bush leaguer Alberts off this team. Swear dude got a contract cause his wife is pregnant and the organisation felt bad.

 

[enuck]

Alberts' peripherals were terrible. He's an offensive non-entity with lousy gap control who gives opponents tons of time to make plays. Despite the occasional big hit, he's actually a ridiculously soft defender who is extremely easy to play against for skill players.

And he only played 24 games + 4 playoff games.

And if Corrado is kept up but not receiving icetime, he can be sent down after a few games as well. It's not like they're forced to keep him for the year if they keep him now.



If Alberts is cut too, I'll be slightly more OK with this. Edit - no, he won't be. He's now the #7, of course. They'd better claim somebody on waivers.

You mean like occasionally leading all Canucks defensemen in hits?

He's not what most people would ever call a 'soft defender' or 'easy to play against', you must be thinking of the Oilers depth players.

 

[Jyrki]

It's similar to what AV did to Tanev in 2011-12. Good idea to use the waiver-free status to stash Corrado there, plus he can get all the minutes in Utica.

With that said, neither Weber nor Alberts made a case to be bottom-pairing mainstays so far, so maybe we'll see Corrado back up as #6.

You mean like occasionally leading all Canucks defensemen in hits?

He's not what most people would ever call a 'soft defender' or 'easy to play against', you must be thinking of the Oilers depth players.

Alberts hits a lot because

a) He's bad at gap control
b) He's bad at stick checking
c) He constantly turns the puck over so there are more opportunities for him to hit