Franchise Value

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  1. hockeyfan05

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    1 Detroit Red Wings- $266
    2 New York Rangers- $263
    3 Philadelphia Flyers- $262
    4 Dallas Stars- $254
    5 Colorado Avalanche- $250
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    7 Toronto Maple Leafs- $241
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    13 New York Islanders- $156
    14 Columbus Blue Jackets- $150
    15 St. Louis Blues- $148
    16 Washington Capitals- $140
    17 Minnesota Wild- $139
    18 Pittsburgh Pens- $137
    19 Atlanta Thrashers- $134
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    21 Carolina Hurricanes- $128
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    23 Tampa Bay Lightning- $124
    24 Phoenix Coyotes- $117
    25 Anaheim Mighty Ducks- $111
    26 Vancouver Canucks- $110
    27 Ottawa Senators- $95
    28 Calgary Flames- $94
    29 Buffalo Sabres- $92
    30 Edmonton Oilers- $86
     
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    Wouldn't the Pens be $175 million? The figure hardly needs to be guessed at.
     
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    This information is from Forbes.
     
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    interesting nyr isnt first and that tams 25-30 are some of the best in the league
     
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    I'm sorry, I just saw that this data is from May 2004.
     
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    I think the reason why the Canadian teams are ranked lower, have three in the bottom five- is because of the value of the dollar. But you are right, the bottom line and success on the ice certainly have no correlation.
     
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    the canadian team's are lower cause they're worth less
     
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    The Canadian dollar has come up quite a bit over the last year or two and I think is now around $.85 for every $1 U.S., so that's not all of the explanation.
     
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    I have no idea why Detroit is ranked first as they do not own the "Joe". It is one of the oldest rinks in the league and one day, some day they will have to have a new facility and I doubt very much if they will get the sweet-heart deal they do a the "Joe"
    And wasn't Dallas for sale for 250 million back in 2004 with no takers?
    Would take Forbes (altho it is a respected publication) with a grain of salt.
     
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    These estimations are from 2004.

    I think we had a thread like this based on a more recent list, but the HF search feature isn't working for me.

    The Leafs were at the top and the Canes were at the bottom IIRC.

    The only other fact that I can recall were that the Rangers made the most money from media revenue and one of the newer expansion teams had the least amount of media revenue.
     
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    Yup. As I said, one reference point for all of these numbers is the Pens and Blues sales of this past year. Pens went for $175 million. But these numbers would be all out of whack as they are pre-CBA and all that went with that including a cap, revenue sharing, etc.
     
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    Great find, thanks!

    Holy crap, the Leafs are like a license to print money.
     
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    Vancouver went from 26th to 10th, wow.
     
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    For those of you wondering, this is the team "worth"/value...not their market value which is why the pens are lower...often times buyers will pay over and above the team value
     
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    Still a pretty fluid number regarding the Pens. Remember that they currently have the oldest arena in the NHL and have the worst lease in professional sports bar none. Both situations change after this season which should up their value significantly. One reason most likely for the higher bid, taking into account what the franchise will be worth soon.
     
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    The franchise values of the Canadian teams skyrocketed:

    Toronto went from $241 mil (7th) to $332 mil (1st)!
    Montreal went from $147 mil (10th) to $230 mil (7th)
    Vancouver went from $110 mil (26th) to $192 mil (10th)
    Ottawa went from $95 mil (27th) to $159 mil (14th)
    Calgary went from $94 mil (28th) to $134 mil (26th)
    Edmonton went from $86 mil (30th) to $146 mil (19th)

    On average, a gain of $63.5 mil per team in 2 years.
     
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    What the heck, the Utah Jazz, Toronto Raptors, New Jersey Nets, and denver nuggets are all worth more than the Red Wings?!?!?

    Wait, the Memphis grizzlies too?? They don't even sell out playoff games.

    I thought the Redwings would be way up there judging from all their success and stuff.
     
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    too bad the jets and nordiques aren't around to see it.
     
  22. Bobby Orr

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    Those totals are from 2002/03, so it's a 3 year gap. The Canadian teams had a double positive during that period - most of the teams were good on the ice, but more importantly, the Canadian dollar increased in value from 63 cents at the start of season in '02 to 90 cents at the end of the season in '06.
     
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    They will never be around to see it.
     
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    winnipeg definitely will. it's merely a matter of time.

    face the facts, most americans have seen hockey AND DON'T LIKE IT !! teams are already crumbling and it's only year 2 post-lockout. imagine 3 years down the road when 10,000 fans per game is considered "good" for some markets - yet you laugh at winnipeg and quebec city because they actually have hockey fans.

    here's a past quote from the nhl's deputy commissioner:
    Bill Daly (NHL VP) says...
    "There's no reason to think Houston or Kansas City would be considered ahead of Quebec or Winnipeg (for relocation). There are still too many empty seats in markets like Carolina and Florida, even though attendance is up in those markets"


    well attendance is up in carolina after they won the cup, but florida and several others are still drawing poorly.

    why are you smarter than bill daly ? why would you mock his opinion ? what do you do in portland that would make you such an expert on nhl feasibility in other markets ?

    is this where you claim winnipeg can't support a team because the jets moved ? but you conveniently forget the north stars had worse attendance, and yet the Wild have had continuous sell outs ?

    c'mon, provide something of substance, please. otherwise, it's just too easy to discredit you.

    The president of the Blues, John Davidson, has been quoted as "I firmly believe that Winnipeg deserves an NHL franchise. I think it's time that the NHL thought seriously of relocating some of those failing teams in the U.S. markets [to cities] where the game is truly appreciated. And if Winnipeg has a new arena, it should have a shot at getting a team back"

    Terry Jones of the Edmonton Sun ""Phoenix is one of those sun-belt franchises I can see being contracted in the next few seasons if it doesn't end up making the return trip back north to become the Winnipeg Jets again. Mike Barnett's pre-lockout moves to sign Brett Hull, Mike Ricci and Peter Nedved didn't do it. The Coyotes have already cut ticket prices on nearly 15,000 seats from 11% to 25% depending on location. More than 5,000 of their seats will be available for $15 or less U.S. per game."

    Shane Doan, Phoenix Coyotes Captain on playing in Winnipeg "Those are huge moments that I'll always remember," Doan said. "And I'll never forget the last game we played there before moving to Phoenix. It was the loudest building I've ever been in for a sporting event.... ever! I couldn't hear what my teammates were saying."


    winnipeg will get an nhl team again, because frankly THEY'RE HOCKEY FANS ! and nothing a kid in portland says will change that. but keep trying if it gives you a purpose.
     
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    It could also be due to the fact that these are just estimations by Forbes as I doubt they have access to actual concrete data.
     

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