Former Canucks Thread (Dan Hamhuis retires)

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Peter10

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He was healthy scratched for about 8 of those games, if Sutter, Ferland and Leivo didn't miss so many games. You think Schaller still play that many games?

Sorry but this is a dumb argument, he was here for the first 59 games or so and played in 51 if those, that is a regular.
 

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Sorry but this is a dumb argument, he was here for the first 59 games or so and played in 51 if those, that is a regular.
Especially when they would've been better off giving his spot to one of the many wingers we have down in Utica who could've produced as much (if not more) for way less. They had a choice but just chose not to.
 
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Let's backtrack for one moment here, this specific conversation started when a user was wondering why is Schaller good enough to be an nhl regular here but not in LA. I am indicating right now he is not good enough to be an nhl regular here as well. He is only playing because with all the injuries at forward. When everyone is healthy he is 14/15th on depth chart. That is not an nhl regular to me. Last year he was scratched a whole bunch of games as well. Let's not ignore that.
 

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Let's backtrack for one moment here, this specific conversation started when a user was wondering why is Schaller good enough to be an nhl regular here but not in LA. I am indicating right now he is not good enough to be an nhl regular here as well. He is only playing because with all the injuries at forward. When everyone is healthy he is 14/15th on depth chart. That is not an nhl regular to me. Last year he was scratched a whole bunch of games as well. Let's not ignore that.
The Kings don't have a full strength roster either.

Carter is injured, they sold off Toffoli, and terminated Kovalchuk's contract. They only have 12 healthy forwards on their roster, and they still don't want Schaller on their team.

The Canucks made room on their roster for Schaller and played him in most of their games. The Kings don't want him even though they have spare rosters spots.
 
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Let's backtrack for one moment here, this specific conversation started when a user was wondering why is Schaller good enough to be an nhl regular here but not in LA. I am indicating right now he is not good enough to be an nhl regular here as well. He is only playing because with all the injuries at forward. When everyone is healthy he is 14/15th on depth chart. That is not an nhl regular to me. Last year he was scratched a whole bunch of games as well. Let's not ignore that.

A) No team is always fully healthy

B) A guy who plays in the majority of games (regardless of the circumstances) is a regular
 

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The Kings don't have a full strength roster either.

Carter is injured, they sold off Toffoli, and terminated Kovalchuk's contract. They only have 12 healthy forwards on their roster, and they still don't want Schaller on their team.

The Canucks made room on their roster for Schaller and played him in most of their games. The Kings don't want him even though they have spare rosters spots.
Their ahl club is like another county away. No money difference. I’d play kids if at all possible over a cap dump.
 

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A) No team is always fully healthy

B) A guy who plays in the majority of games (regardless of the circumstances) is a regular

I will give you an analogy because you are not getting it, Pretend you are a part time employee because a lot full time employees are sick for a few months. You are forced to work full time hours. When those full time employee come back, you will go back to Part time, You don't have a permanent full time position ( assuming you are still young enough to work and perform ) so therefore you are not considered a full time employee.

Same with Schllaer he is not considered a regular full time employee when everyone is healthy. It is so silly calling him Schaller an regular player.
 
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I will give you an analogy because you are not getting it, Pretend you are a part time employee because a lot full time employees are sick for a few months. You are forced to work full time hours. When those full time employee come back, you will go back to Part time, You don't have a permanent full time position ( assuming you are still young enough to work and perform ) so therefore you are not considered a full time employee.

Same with Schllaer he is not considered a regular full time employee when everyone is healthy. It is so silly calling him Schaller an regular player.

Its a stupid analogy. Schaller was not signed to be a fill in guy, he was signed to be a regular and was certainly used as such this year considering he played 51 of 59 games. It is impossible to prove whether Green would have used him if everyone was healthy.
 
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Its a stupid analogy. Schaller was not signed to be a fill in guy, he was signed to be a regular and was certainly used as such this year considering he played 51 of 59 games. It is impossible to prove whether Green would have used him if everyone was healthy.

Sure he wasn't signed to be a filler but his performance made him a filler.
Petey Miller Horvat Boeser Pearson Virtanen Leivo Ferland Beagle Sutter Motte Rousell. These 12 guys was never ever a healthy scratched before aside from a few games that Virtanen was scratched earlier in his career, Gaudette from November was never a healthy scratched as well. Sure it's not 100% possible to prove if Schaller would still be used if everyone healthy. Most messages on this forum can't be proven 100% but we can gather some data. The data does 12 forwards was never a healthy scratched recently. That is a strong indication that Schaller would of been healthy scratched if everyone was healthy. That is 13 forwards ahead of Schaller.

My main issue yes I know Benning has not been a great GM but some people love to exaggerate to make Benning to look more bad that he really is.

You actually think Schaller has a chance to play ahead of Beagle Sutter Leivo Ferland if everyone healthy? The answer should be No.

If it makes you feel better. I can say this, Schaller is only nhl regular with the Canucks if there are few injuries
 

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Alex Biega signs a one year deal with the Wings:



That's something I was "wrong" about. While I thought it would have been much better to keep him here, especially in place of going out and signing a guy like Benn, I didn't think he'd get much opportunity with the Wings and would be quickly back in the AHL.

Also a point in Biega's favour in that Detroit does value him as a regular starting, as opposed to a guy like who would not have been traded if a contract evener wasn't needed in the Toffoli deadline deal and was quickly dumped by LA.
 
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In the Canucks defense, Cody's own doctor was unable to find out the real cause of his problems. It was the Canucks' doctors that eventually found out the reason for his issues (granted, the 2nd time around).
Article seems to conclude that Nashville is the one that found out. They tested him for brain tumours and lung cancer etc. and came across MH. Then he went to a specialist.

Canucks thought it was a bulging disc.
 

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From the article:

“It now seems the back injury that started his problems with the Canucks was a byproduct of the MH condition. Originally it was misdiagnosed as a bulging disc. Hodgson said, no, it’s something else. The Canucks weren’t exactly sympathetic to his cause, but they did allow him to begin training with former NHLer Gary Roberts in the summer of 2010 and the back improved for a while.“
 
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In the Canucks defense, Cody's own doctor was unable to find out the real cause of his problems. It was the Canucks' doctors that eventually found out the reason for his issues (granted, the 2nd time around).

a medical staff so great that it also managed to cross sports and alter the careers of two basketball hall of famers in three days
 
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You actually think Schaller has a chance to play ahead of Beagle Sutter Leivo Ferland if everyone healthy? The answer should be No.

If it makes you feel better. I can say this, Schaller is only nhl regular with the Canucks if there are few injuries

but isn’t it kind of... you know... stupid to spend four million over two years on your thirteenth/fourteenth forward?
 

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rewatching the cup finals. the only thing that irks me was coach alain vignault only played ballard a few times in the playoffs given their defense was playing with injures. why didnt he slot him in more. edler-hurt,erhoff-shoulder,kb3-knee? hamhuis-out. rome suspended. alberts- really? healthy then 18yr chris tanev. did coach av not like ballards play? or something.
 

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At least in case of Hodgson it was quite an obscure condition and was missed by different doctors with different teams throughout his career until the very end with Nashville. There are tons of legitimate grievances you could have with out medical staff, but I'll give them a mulligan on that one.
 

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rewatching the cup finals. the only thing that irks me was coach alain vignault only played ballard a few times in the playoffs given their defense was playing with injures. why didnt he slot him in more. edler-hurt,erhoff-shoulder,kb3-knee? hamhuis-out. rome suspended. alberts- really? healthy then 18yr chris tanev. did coach av not like ballards play? or something.

Obviously this is just my own thoughts, but I feel like there was more going on than meets the eye with Ballard. I remember reading about media being able to hear him screaming at himself through the walls after games, and reading similar things about him going back to his NCAA days.
 

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Obviously this is just my own thoughts, but I feel like there was more going on than meets the eye with Ballard. I remember reading about media being able to hear him screaming at himself through the walls after games, and reading similar things about him going back to his NCAA days.
Lack of confidence? just being hard on himself i guess? injuries didn't help the cause as well. when i first heard about the trade back in 2010, i was excited to see vancouver finally had two legit top 4 Defenseman that could play. but in the end, it didn't work out for whatever reason. if ballard was healthy he'd be playing in the top four ahead of kb3 who fans were screaming for his head to be traded too.
 

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Lack of confidence? just being hard on himself i guess? injuries didn't help the cause as well. when i first heard about the trade back in 2010, i was excited to see vancouver finally had two legit top 4 Defenseman that could play. but in the end, it didn't work out for whatever reason. if ballard was healthy he'd be playing in the top four ahead of kb3 who fans were screaming for his head to be traded too.

Finally had two top-4 d? The 09-10 Canucks had Edler, Salo, Ehrhoff, Mitchell, and Bieksa?
 
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