Former Canucks: Players & Management (Willie Desjardins fired by Kings, COO Victor De Bonis to SEA)

[Ryp37]

...and now he's a Penguin, basically as a salary dump...

This is a shutdown player,” Rutherford said. “You put him on a third line, in that kind of role, he can shut down other players. That’s what he does best. But he can score, too. He can really skate. He’s such a good puck-pressure guy. And the thing about him is, he’s so young. There’s a ton of upside there, in our opinion. We’ve liked him for a long time.”

sure sounds like a salary dump

 

[RobertKron]

Lmao, the 22 year old 3C making 1.25m this year and next is a salary dump.

 

[Zippgunn]

What I mean is that the Panthers basically traded him and Bjugstad to get some cap relief (and a few draft picks) so they can target Panarin and Bobrovsky. Looks like they will flip Brassard. Guess I should have said "...as part of a salary dump" (which is mostly Bjugstad)...

 

[Josepho]

mccann was the reward for taking on the bjugstad contract

 

[Zippgunn]

mccann was the reward for taking on the bjugstad contract

...which tells me he was disposable to the Panthers...

 

[PG Canuck]

How funny is it going to be when McCann is lifting the Cup in June.

First Bonino, now McCann?

What's going on, Sutter?

 

[PG Canuck]

...which tells me he was disposable to the Panthers...

Judging anything Dale Tallon does as anything near reasonable is laughable. DT also gave away Reilly Smith and Jonathan Marchessault for literally nothing.

 

[Josepho]

...which tells me he was disposable to the Panthers...

Is literally every player who gets traded disposable in your eyes?

Would you also call PK Subban disposable?

 

[geebaan]

Is literally every player who gets traded disposable in your eyes?

Would you also call PK Subban disposable?

The only Canuck who isn’t disposable after they left is Willie D according to Zip.

 

[F A N]

Judging anything Dale Tallon does as anything near reasonable is laughable. DT also gave away Reilly Smith and Jonathan Marchessault for literally nothing.

To be fair, Dale Tallon usually makes good trades. I think many Panthers fans think they exposed Marchessault in favour of McCann. As for Smith, I would have unloaded him as well after the season he had and a new $5M AAV contract kicking in. Seems like Smith alternates between good and bad seasons. He's not having a good one this season.

 

[Zippgunn]

Is literally every player who gets traded disposable in your eyes?

Would you also call PK Subban disposable?

Are you seriously going to compare the Subban trade (which got them Shea Weber) to the McCann trade (where the Panthers got a player who everybody expects to be flipped plus a warm body and a bunch of draft picks)? If the Panthers actually acquired a useful player in this deal I might agree with you but they didn't and I don't. The obvious blind hatred for both Guddy and Jimbo has people here turning McCann into some sort of star which he is far from being. Never give up on that agenda kids...

 

[Zippgunn]

The only Canuck who isn’t disposable after they left is Willie D according to Zip.

It really must gall all the Willie haters that he is back as a head coach in the NHL...

 

[geebaan]

It really must gall all the Willie haters that he is back as a head coach in the NHL...

I think it’s only the Kings fans who have to watch him coach

 

[Askel]

To be fair, Dale Tallon usually makes good trades. I think many Panthers fans think they exposed Marchessault in favour of McCann. As for Smith, I would have unloaded him as well after the season he had and a new $5M AAV contract kicking in. Seems like Smith alternates between good and bad seasons. He's not having a good one this season.

They protected 4 d-men including Petrovic. Was a stupid decision by Tallon.

 

[F A N]

Are you seriously going to compare the Subban trade (which got them Shea Weber) to the McCann trade (where the Panthers got a player who everybody expects to be flipped plus a warm body and a bunch of draft picks)? If the Panthers actually acquired a useful player in this deal I might agree with you but they didn't and I don't. The obvious blind hatred for both Guddy and Jimbo has people here turning McCann into some sort of star which he is far from being. Never give up on that agenda kids...

I agree. I liked McCann and still do. But at this point he's a good 4th line C who the Penguins are projecting to be a 3rd line C. I think Rutherford is also given the benefit of the doubt by many due to those two Cups he won back to back. Prior to becoming the Penguins' GM he had basically ran the Canes to the ground and was seen as a washed up GM who became GM only because he's willing to be there for 2 years to mentor Botterill. Imagine the comments on here if Benning said "I tell myself before I go to bed every night that I shouldn't trade our first-round pick this season."

 

[F A N]

They protected 4 d-men including Petrovic. Was a stupid decision by Tallon.

I don't disagree. My point was that Tallon usually make good trades. I'm not saying he has been a good GM of late.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

RIP andre boudrias, the first of our tiny #7 centers

initiating a rich tradition, followed by

boooooo

yaaaaaaay

 

[Peter10]

To be fair, Dale Tallon usually makes good trades. I think many Panthers fans think they exposed Marchessault in favour of McCann. As for Smith, I would have unloaded him as well after the season he had and a new $5M AAV contract kicking in. Seems like Smith alternates between good and bad seasons. He's not having a good one this season.

That would have been pretty stupid to think as McCann was exempt and did not require protection.

 

[Hit the post]

That would have been pretty stupid to think as McCann was exempt and did not require protection.

Well wasn't he the GM of the Hawks that let a bunch of RFAs almost become free agents because he failed to give them qualifying offers in time? Even Benning knows the number of FedEx. (1800gofedex).

 

[Jyrki21]

Oh weird, it's almost like when you give a supposedly "terrible, horrible, no-good very bad backup" regular starts against a variety of teams instead of preordained losses, it turns out he's not so bad!

Who knew that NHL coaches had such magical abilities to manipulate a person's very essence, since obviously it can't be that their perfomance is heavily dependent on the schedule...

 

[mathonwy]

To be fair, Dale Tallon usually makes good trades. I think many Panthers fans think they exposed Marchessault in favour of McCann. As for Smith, I would have unloaded him as well after the season he had and a new $5M AAV contract kicking in. Seems like Smith alternates between good and bad seasons. He's not having a good one this season.

Not McCann, Bjugstad.

 

[Zippgunn]

Oh weird, it's almost like when you give a supposedly "terrible, horrible, no-good very bad backup" regular starts against a variety of teams instead of preordained losses, it turns out he's not so bad!

Who knew that NHL coaches had such magical abilities to manipulate a person's very essence, since obviously it can't be that their perfomance is heavily dependent on the schedule...

I was saying this for years. Nilsson got mostly terrible starts, 2/3rds of which were on the road. He played both games against the Lightning and road games against good teams like Nashville and usually after having sat for 10 days or so. Try that with Marky and see how well he plays. Try it with Demko and see his NHL career die before it gets going...

 

[Jyrki21]

I was saying this for years. Nilsson got mostly terrible starts, 2/3rds of which were on the road. He played both games against the Lightning and road games against good teams like Nashville and usually after having sat for 10 days or so. Try that with Marky and see how well he plays. Try it with Demko and see his NHL career die before it gets going...

Well there is a spot where we have common ground. I think the difference between goalies' abilities tends to get overstated by NHL coaches (in absolute terms, .895 to .920 or whatever is not actually a very big difference), and a lot of their performance is going to be circumstantial. The sample size in this case is of course small, but so was Nilsson's body of work in Vancouver, so it's all we can judge from.

I think of Willie overplaying Miller over Läck (and later Markström), then once he got hurt overplaying Läck because Markström had one poor start, and then we ironically got the same thing once Markström became the starter under Green. A more balanced workload is surely better for everyone involved, and this isn't the '80s anymore where save percentages could be all over the place. Crawford of course was notoriously this way, and I'd say even Alain Vigneault (whom I otherwise admire) was too hesitant to let guys like Dany Sabourin give Luongo a rest.

 

[Zippgunn]

Well there is a spot where we have common ground. I think the difference between goalies' abilities tends to get overstated by NHL coaches (in absolute terms, .895 to .920 or whatever is not actually a very big difference), and a lot of their performance is going to be circumstantial. The sample size in this case is of course small, but so was Nilsson's body of work in Vancouver, so it's all we can judge from.

I think of Willie overplaying Miller over Läck (and later Markström), then once he got hurt overplaying Läck because Markström had one poor start, and then we ironically got the same thing once Markström became the starter under Green. A more balanced workload is surely better for everyone involved, and this isn't the '80s anymore where save percentages could be all over the place. Crawford of course was notoriously this way, and I'd say even Alain Vigneault (whom I otherwise admire) was too hesitant to let guys like Dany Sabourin give Luongo a rest.

We have a history of mishandling backup goalies. I call it getting "Skudra-ed"...

 

[F A N]

I was saying this for years. Nilsson got mostly terrible starts, 2/3rds of which were on the road. He played both games against the Lightning and road games against good teams like Nashville and usually after having sat for 10 days or so. Try that with Marky and see how well he plays. Try it with Demko and see his NHL career die before it gets going...

Are you saying Nilsson should split the net with Markstrom? Rotating starts? Otherwise, all you're saying is that Nilsson had some terrible starts as a backup goalie. Some goalies can't be backup goalies and come in cold and deliver a good start. Some goalies don't do well when they have competition for the #1 goalie spot. Cory Schneider wasn't like that. And for Demko's sake, I hope he isn't like that either. For Nilsson he didn't get a chance to be the man nor did he deserved the chance. If what Nilsson needed was given a chance to be the de facto #1 starter then it is what it is. The Canucks did not and could not have afforded that opportunity.