Former Canucks: Players & Management (Willie Desjardins fired by Kings, COO Victor De Bonis to SEA)

[Ryp37]

according to ferraro, andrew alberts is also currently in the brain facility that bisonette and boynton attended.

hope he's doing okay, or at least getting better.

from 2013:



from 2015: Andrew Alberts' long road back from a concussion - Sportsnet.ca

from 2016:



always hated mcgratton

The amount of people on the main board defending that hit as clean after it happened was disgusting,

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[Chairman Maouth]

Previous thread.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

from the main board:

I bet pretty much no one knows this outside of Arizona fans: Connauton had 11 goals this season, that's more goals by a dman than anyone on Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Los Angeles, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Ottawa, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas and Winnipeg

He was playing pretty well during the Coyotes good few months. There's some upside there for late blooming.

 

[Lindgren]

The Vegas Knights are apparently not going to make an offer to Luca Sbisa. (no link yet ... just heard it on 1040)

 

[Phenomenon13]

The Vegas Knights are apparently not going to make an offer to Luca Sbisa. (no link yet ... just heard it on 1040)

That's cause they know he is getting a fat contract from the Capitals

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Adam Cracknell, Jordan Subban sign with the Toronto Maple Leafs

hard not to be happy for jordan

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Adam Cracknell, Jordan Subban sign with the Toronto Maple Leafs

hard not to be happy for jordan

He's excited to play for his hometown Marlies?

 

[Slapshot_11]

So does Luonngo play out his entire contract? How screwed are we if he retires early

 

[M2Beezy]

Former Canuck Brad Richardson signs two years with the Yotes for $1.25/season

 

[Hansen]

Former Canuck Brad Richardson signs two years with the Yotes for $1.25/season

Would have been a far better option than Beagle

 

[clunk]

Uhhhh... I had a dream that we signed Manny Malhotra as a player again and he scored in his first game back... And Vadim Sharifijanov was his winger.... Uh.... Coincidence?

 

[Melvin]

Would have been a far better option than Beagle

Three years ago we let him walk because we "wanted to let the kids play." what kids?

Now, we are signing another guy who is basically the same for 20x the price because we don't want the kids to have to play. And we actually have kids now.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jim Benning.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Management learned that not signing Richardson was the wrong move because gifting spots to rookies turned out to be the wrong direction.

They are learning from their previous mistakes and icing a team with lots of depth. Still don’t see how it’s not a good thing, never mind how the sky is falling.

The fact that management is learning at a rapid rate after a steep learning curve is encouraging.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Not being on the opening night roster means nothing. Most of these young prospects will be called up when the inevitable injuries happen.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Management learned that not signing Richardson was the wrong move because gifting spots to rookies turned out to be the wrong direction.

They are learning from their previous mistakes and icing a team with lots of depth. Still don’t see how it’s not a good thing, never mind how the sky is falling.

The fact that management is learning at a rapid rate after a steep learning curve is encouraging.

Nice derail attempt.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Guys, this is not the current management thread. There is a thread for that discussion but this ain't it.

 

[DL44]

Richardson, Matthias, Kassian (our whole 3rd line) was released and replaced by within in an effort to gift/give our young players an opportunity to step up and into those roles after our 100+ point season... it failed brutally as injuries hit and we had nothing in terms of NHL talent behind em...

2yrs later people are still moaning about adding NHL depth to survive the inevitable injuries... I.e. our 7th dman has gotten 60-70gms per yr. Hell, Bartowski got 82, Biega got 50-some games.... as our 7th and 8th dman... Pouliot got what.. 50+ last year...

You need NHL depth. Thought this was a long ago learned lesson.

 

[RandV]

Richardson, Matthias, Kassian (our whole 3rd line) was released and replaced by within in an effort to gift/give our young players an opportunity to step up and into those roles after our 100+ point season... it failed brutally as injuries hit and we had nothing in terms of NHL talent behind em...

2yrs later people are still moaning about adding NHL depth to survive the inevitable injuries... I.e. our 7th dman has gotten 60-70gms per yr. Hell, Bartowski got 82, Biega got 50-some games.... as our 7th and 8th dman... Pouliot got what.. 50+ last year...

You need NHL depth. Thought this was a long ago learned lesson.

I don't think that was really the goal... Benning spent a lot of $$$ to 'toughen up' the team - over priced extensions to Dorsett and Sbisa, swapping Bonino for the more expensive Sutter, and trading Kassian for the more expensive Prust, so that by the time July 1st came around there was simply no room to re-up Richardson and Matthias.

It's hard to put up a roster after a full season since so many things can change with injuries and the like, but I'd say that going by optimal forward lines that carried us at different points through season it would have looked something like:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Higgins-Bonino-Vrbata
Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
Kenins-Horvat-Hansen
Vey, Dorsett

Onto next season, again things got muddied rather quickly but I believe that the intention going into the season after Benning's tinkering was a lineup that would look like:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Higgins-Sutter-Vrbata
Baerstchi-Horvat-Hansen
Prust-Vey-Dorsett
Craknell, Virtanen

They were telegraphing all the way that they wanted Virtanen on the team, but other than that the only youth movement would be a permanent spot for Vey and a lineup spot for either Baerstchi or Virtanen. What really made it look like a 'youth movement' was that Vey sucked so badly he got sent to Utica and replaced by 19 year old McCann who joined Virtanen on the team.

 

[DL44]

I don't think that was really the goal... Benning spent a lot of $$$ to 'toughen up' the team - over priced extensions to Dorsett and Sbisa, swapping Bonino for the more expensive Sutter, and trading Kassian for the more expensive Prust, so that by the time July 1st came around there was simply no room to re-up Richardson and Matthias.

It's hard to put up a roster after a full season since so many things can change with injuries and the like, but I'd say that going by optimal forward lines that carried us at different points through season it would have looked something like:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Higgins-Bonino-Vrbata
Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
Kenins-Horvat-Hansen
Vey, Dorsett

Onto next season, again things got muddied rather quickly but I believe that the intention going into the season after Benning's tinkering was a lineup that would look like:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Higgins-Sutter-Vrbata
Baerstchi-Horvat-Hansen
Prust-Vey-Dorsett
Craknell, Virtanen

They were telegraphing all the way that they wanted Virtanen on the team, but other than that the only youth movement would be a permanent spot for Vey and a lineup spot for either Baerstchi or Virtanen. What really made it look like a 'youth movement' was that Vey sucked so badly he got sent to Utica and replaced by 19 year old McCann who joined Virtanen on the team.

Disagree...
All you had to do was look at their transactions that offseason - players in vs out, and their vision seemed pretty clear... get younger, shed vets, fill within, a couple stopgap vets added..

But yes.. it failed.


OUT:
Bieksa, Lack, Matthias, Richardson, Kassian, Bonino, Stanton, Clendening, Conacher, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, McNally, McMillan, Defazio, Jensen, Corrado, Shinkaruk, Cracknell, Fox
IN:
Bartkowski, Prust, Sutter, Fedun, Bachman, Jones, Cracknell, Witt, Etem, Granlund, Larsen

 

[Peter10]

OUT:
Bieksa, Lack, Matthias, Richardson, Kassian, Bonino, Stanton, Clendening, Conacher, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, McNally, McMillan, Defazio, Jensen, Corrado, Shinkaruk, Cracknell, Fox
IN:
Bartkowski, Prust, Sutter, Fedun, Bachman, Jones, Cracknell, Witt, Etem, Granlund, Larsen

My memory may be failing but what Jones and Witt did Benning bring in?

 

[Melvin]

My memory may be failing but what Jones and Witt did Benning bring in?

I believe Ryan Jones

 

[opendoor]

Richardson, Matthias, Kassian (our whole 3rd line) was released and replaced by within in an effort to gift/give our young players an opportunity to step up and into those roles after our 100+ point season... it failed brutally as injuries hit and we had nothing in terms of NHL talent behind em...

2yrs later people are still moaning about adding NHL depth to survive the inevitable injuries... I.e. our 7th dman has gotten 60-70gms per yr. Hell, Bartowski got 82, Biega got 50-some games.... as our 7th and 8th dman... Pouliot got what.. 50+ last year...

You need NHL depth. Thought this was a long ago learned lesson.

Do you really not see the difference in context between 2015 and now with regards to the team's stated goals and the prospect depth?

This kind of thing is one of the big problems with bad management. Not only are they more likely to make mistakes, but when they do make a mistake they often take the wrong lessons from it. Benning finally realized that he has consistently done a terrible job of having depth, but his answer to that is to sign 4th liners to 4 year deals rather than filling in with a mix of veterans on short term deals and guys already in the organization.

 

[Peter10]

I believe Ryan Jones

Oh thanks, appears his 5 games in Utica didnt have a lasting effect to me. Also have figured out Witt

Clay Witt at eliteprospects.com

1 game in Utica, 12 in Kalamazoo

 

[I am toxic]

Oh thanks, appears his 5 games in Utica didnt have a lasting effect to me. Also have figured out Witt

Clay Witt at eliteprospects.com

1 game in Utica, 12 in Kalamazoo

Brevity was the soul of Witt.

 

[Zombotron]