Former Canucks: Players & Management (Willie Desjardins hired by Kings, COO Victor De Bonis to SEA)

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  1. Ryp37

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    The amount of people on the main board defending that hit as clean after it happened was disgusting,

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  2. Chairman Maouth

    Chairman Maouth Over and out

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    vadim sharifijanov ugh

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    The Vegas Knights are apparently not going to make an offer to Luca Sbisa. (no link yet ... just heard it on 1040)
     
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    That's cause they know he is getting a fat contract from the Capitals
     
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    vadim sharifijanov ugh

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    ProstheticConscience Let 'er ryp.

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    So does Luonngo play out his entire contract? How screwed are we if he retires early
     
  9. Neddam ot Sehguh

    Neddam ot Sehguh Nelhad ot Oow

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    Former Canuck Brad Richardson signs two years with the Yotes for $1.25/season
     
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  10. Hansen

    Hansen BASED JIM BENNING

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    Would have been a far better option than Beagle
     
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    clunk Fire Jim Benning

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    Uhhhh... I had a dream that we signed Manny Malhotra as a player again and he scored in his first game back... And Vadim Sharifijanov was his winger.... Uh.... Coincidence?
     
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    Three years ago we let him walk because we "wanted to let the kids play." what kids?

    Now, we are signing another guy who is basically the same for 20x the price because we don't want the kids to have to play. And we actually have kids now.

    Ladies and gentlemen, Jim Benning.
     
  13. RonningMorrisonBooth

    RonningMorrisonBooth Support the boys!

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    Management learned that not signing Richardson was the wrong move because gifting spots to rookies turned out to be the wrong direction.

    They are learning from their previous mistakes and icing a team with lots of depth. Still don’t see how it’s not a good thing, never mind how the sky is falling.

    The fact that management is learning at a rapid rate after a steep learning curve is encouraging.
     
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    RonningMorrisonBooth Support the boys!

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    Not being on the opening night roster means nothing. Most of these young prospects will be called up when the inevitable injuries happen.
     
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    Nice derail attempt.
     
  16. Chairman Maouth

    Chairman Maouth Over and out

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    Guys, this is not the current management thread. There is a thread for that discussion but this ain't it.
     
  17. Literally

    Literally Better than you think

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    Richardson, Matthias, Kassian (our whole 3rd line) was released and replaced by within in an effort to gift/give our young players an opportunity to step up and into those roles after our 100+ point season... it failed brutally as injuries hit and we had nothing in terms of NHL talent behind em...

    2yrs later people are still moaning about adding NHL depth to survive the inevitable injuries... I.e. our 7th dman has gotten 60-70gms per yr. Hell, Bartowski got 82, Biega got 50-some games.... as our 7th and 8th dman... Pouliot got what.. 50+ last year...

    You need NHL depth. Thought this was a long ago learned lesson.
     
  18. RandV

    RandV It's a wolf v2.0

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    I don't think that was really the goal... Benning spent a lot of $$$ to 'toughen up' the team - over priced extensions to Dorsett and Sbisa, swapping Bonino for the more expensive Sutter, and trading Kassian for the more expensive Prust, so that by the time July 1st came around there was simply no room to re-up Richardson and Matthias.

    It's hard to put up a roster after a full season since so many things can change with injuries and the like, but I'd say that going by optimal forward lines that carried us at different points through season it would have looked something like:

    Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
    Higgins-Bonino-Vrbata
    Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
    Kenins-Horvat-Hansen
    Vey, Dorsett

    Onto next season, again things got muddied rather quickly but I believe that the intention going into the season after Benning's tinkering was a lineup that would look like:

    Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
    Higgins-Sutter-Vrbata
    Baerstchi-Horvat-Hansen
    Prust-Vey-Dorsett
    Craknell, Virtanen

    They were telegraphing all the way that they wanted Virtanen on the team, but other than that the only youth movement would be a permanent spot for Vey and a lineup spot for either Baerstchi or Virtanen. What really made it look like a 'youth movement' was that Vey sucked so badly he got sent to Utica and replaced by 19 year old McCann who joined Virtanen on the team.
     
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    Disagree...
    All you had to do was look at their transactions that offseason - players in vs out, and their vision seemed pretty clear... get younger, shed vets, fill within, a couple stopgap vets added..

    But yes.. it failed.


    OUT:
    Bieksa, Lack, Matthias, Richardson, Kassian, Bonino, Stanton, Clendening, Conacher, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, McNally, McMillan, Defazio, Jensen, Corrado, Shinkaruk, Cracknell, Fox
    IN:
    Bartkowski, Prust, Sutter, Fedun, Bachman, Jones, Cracknell, Witt, Etem, Granlund, Larsen
     
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  20. Peter10

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    My memory may be failing but what Jones and Witt did Benning bring in?
     
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    I believe Ryan Jones
     
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    Do you really not see the difference in context between 2015 and now with regards to the team's stated goals and the prospect depth?

    This kind of thing is one of the big problems with bad management. Not only are they more likely to make mistakes, but when they do make a mistake they often take the wrong lessons from it. Benning finally realized that he has consistently done a terrible job of having depth, but his answer to that is to sign 4th liners to 4 year deals rather than filling in with a mix of veterans on short term deals and guys already in the organization.
     
  23. Peter10

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    Oh thanks, appears his 5 games in Utica didnt have a lasting effect to me. Also have figured out Witt

    Clay Witt at eliteprospects.com

    1 game in Utica, 12 in Kalamazoo
     
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    daddyohsix Herding Cats

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    Brevity was the soul of Witt.
     
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    Zombotron DAE 2016 trade deadline? :)

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