For the Philadelphia Flyers, K’Andre Miller is a worthy risk

[LegionOfDoom91]

How many really big defensemen actually turn out good ? Loads of them turn out to be pylons and are selected way too early due to their size.

He’s 6’4”. That’s not really that unusually big for a defensemen. He’s a pretty good skater & athlete. He just converted to defensemen from forward two years ago.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Who would be your ideal picks at 14 and 19? Sandin has skating issues and Samuelsson has pretty substantial discipline issues. Out of those two, I'd take Sandin because he's extremely smart and is very solid in the transition game.

I'm still evaluating, but right now I'm leaning toward Kravtsov / Veleno / Farabee at 14 (I've really come around on Veleno). That's assuming, of course, someone like Boqvist / Kotkaniemi / Hughes, etc. doesn't unexpectedly fall to 14.

At 19, I lean Berggren, but have Hallander right up there and wouldn't be upset with Kaut.

Denisenko and Kupari look great in highlights, but their relatively low production levels scare me away. I'm also very leery of Noel in the first round, as he reminds me too much of a Sam Morin at forward. Raw athletic ability, but does he have a feel for the game? I do not like Bode Wilde; I think he plays with tunnel vision, which is a bad trait for a defenseman. Hayton is ok, but he wouldn't be my first choice at 14, and he's not going to make it to 19. I've cooled on Akil Thomas; he isn't in my top tier for 19.

 

[Lindberg]

He’s 6’4”. That’s not really that unusually big for a defensemen. He’s a pretty good skater & athlete. He just converted to defensemen from forward two years ago.

Not trying to split hairs but this says he's 6'5" and 207 lbs on : K'Andre Miller

I don't really watch prospects so I tend to mostly just stay out of the conversation but a quick google brought up this link : 2018 NHL Entry Draft Prospect Profile: K’Andre Miller

so I sorta figure some people are going to be clamoring about his size. Just seems too many NHL GMs / scouts see a bigger player and their eyes just light up.

 

[TB87]

I'm still evaluating, but right now I'm leaning toward Kravtsov / Veleno / Farabee at 14 (I've really come around on Veleno). That's assuming, of course, someone like Boqvist / Kotkaniemi / Hughes, etc. doesn't unexpectedly fall to 14.

At 19, I lean Berggren, but have Hallander right up there and wouldn't be upset with Kaut.

Denisenko and Kupari look great in highlights, but their relatively low production levels scare me away. I'm also very leery of Noel in the first round, as he reminds me too much of a Sam Morin at forward. Raw athletic ability, but does he have a feel for the game? I do not like Bode Wilde; I think he plays with tunnel vision, which is a bad trait for a defenseman. Hayton is ok, but he wouldn't be my first choice at 14, and he's not going to make it to 19. I've cooled on Akil Thomas; he isn't in my top tier for 19.

I'm good with either Kravtsov or Farabee at 14. Berggren is my top choice for 19. He just oozes skill. Watching games/highlights of him and he is nearly automatic when attempting clean zone entries. Possesses excellent vision and is very creative offensively. His 1-on-1 skills are very impressive. I don't understand the love for Wilde either. He's a player full of tools but with no toolbox. Kupari's feet appear to outpace his head. Denisenko's lack of consistency was a bit odd this season. Noel would be an interesting 2nd round pick maybe.

 

[TB87]

Not trying to split hairs but he says he's 6'5" and 207 lbs on : K'Andre Miller

I don't really watch prospects so I tend to mostly just stay out of the conversation but a quick google brought up this link : 2018 NHL Entry Draft Prospect Profile: K’Andre Miller

so I sorta figure some people are going to be clamoring about his size. Just seems too many NHL GMs / scouts see a bigger player and their eyes just light up.

He was measured as 6'3" 198 lbs at the draft combine

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'm good with either Kravtsov or Farabee at 14. Berggren is my top choice for 19. He just oozes skill. Watching games/highlights of him and he is nearly automatic when attempting clean zone entries. Possesses excellent vision and is very creative offensively. His 1-on-1 skills are very impressive. I don't understand the love for Wilde either. He's a player full of tools but with no toolbox. Kupari's feet appear to outpace his head. Denisenko's lack of consistency was a bit odd this season. Noel would be an interesting 2nd round pick maybe.

Yes, if they could get Kravtsov, Veleno (whom I've become higher on of late than most here, it seems) or Farabee at 14, and Berggren at 19, it would be a fantastic draft. However, if they end up with Farabee at 14, I find it unlikely they would take Berggren at 19, as they'd be drafting two small wingers and they already have Konecny. I have a feeling they won't take two small players in the first round.

I think Kravtsov, Veleno, and Berggren each have higher offensive upside in the NHL than Farabee, whom I see as more of a TJ Oshie type: very smart and hard working, but more of a 50-ish point producer.

 

[Magua]

Am I "Ted Brown," and I don't even know it? Every prospect you've named is my opinion too.

I agree that Miller is one of maybe 2 d-men I'd consider at 19. I have a whole thing with him, and I like him though I'm not sure his offensive IQ and certainly playmaking is as monstrous as his raw individual tools. I'd still prefer a certain Swedish forward and nothing will change my mind about that. But if we took Berggren at #14 depending, drafting Miller at #19 wouldn't be the worst thing. Though I have a couple other similarly ranked d-men that I think you can nab in the early-mid 20s where a trade down from #19 could still be appetizing. I don't have K'Andre on a different tier -- except tools wise -- where I wouldn't consider it. But he would be a fine pick in a vacuum.

 

[Rebels57]

Am I "Ted Brown," and I don't even know it? Every prospect you've named is my opinion too.

I agree that Miller is one of maybe 2 d-men I'd consider at 19. I have a whole thing with him, and I like him though I'm not sure his offensive IQ and certainly playmaking is as monstrous as his raw individual tools. I'd still prefer a certain Swedish forward and nothing will change my mind about that. But if we took Berggren at #14 depending, drafting Miller at #19 wouldn't be the worst thing. Though I have a couple other similarly ranked d-men that I think you can nab in the early-mid 20s where a trade down from #19 could still be appetizing. I don't have K'Andre on a different tier -- except tools wise -- where I wouldn't consider it. But he would be a fine pick in a vacuum.

Is @Ted Brown your burner account?

 

[Lindberg]

I am Ted Brown #MeToo !

Am I doing this right?

 

[Beef Invictus]

We are all Ted Brown.

 

[Freddy The Fog]

We are all Ted Brown.

Nope. I am Sparticus

 

[Patrick Division]

Just curious why this is any concern of yours?

OK then I’ll ask...why didn’t you respond to my question? The question being, why are you all gung ho to draft Hayton at 14 now when you made a snarky comment to me about drafting Hayton at 14 in the mock draft thread?

 

[TB87]

Am I "Ted Brown," and I don't even know it? Every prospect you've named is my opinion too.

I agree that Miller is one of maybe 2 d-men I'd consider at 19. I have a whole thing with him, and I like him though I'm not sure his offensive IQ and certainly playmaking is as monstrous as his raw individual tools. I'd still prefer a certain Swedish forward and nothing will change my mind about that. But if we took Berggren at #14 depending, drafting Miller at #19 wouldn't be the worst thing. Though I have a couple other similarly ranked d-men that I think you can nab in the early-mid 20s where a trade down from #19 could still be appetizing. I don't have K'Andre on a different tier -- except tools wise -- where I wouldn't consider it. But he would be a fine pick in a vacuum.

This is my burner account everyone!

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

This is my burner account everyone!

 

[The Madrigal]

I'm just curious as to why you changed your opinion after giving him a hard time.

Have you ever changed your mind about anything in your life?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I think there's better guys at 19. I won't be mad (depending of course on who is still available at that time as an option) but I won't be as thrilled as I would be if we got him in the 2nd. Maybe they trade back to the mid 20s, grab Miller and pick up a 2nd and maybe something else as well?

 

[The Madrigal]

I think there's better guys at 19. I won't be mad (depending of course on who is still available at that time as an option) but I won't be as thrilled as I would be if we got him in the 2nd. Maybe they trade back to the mid 20s, grab Miller and pick up a 2nd and maybe something else as well?

No chance Miller is available in the second. A guy with his upside likely won't make it past 25.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I know DET would never do it but what if they offered you 30, 33, and 36 for 19?

 

[The Madrigal]

I know DET would never do it but what if they offered you 30, 33, and 36 for 19?

That's an easy yes, but as you said Detroit isn't going to do that.

 

[Rebels57]

Have you ever changed your mind about anything in your life?

Yup but you never said that..you just ignored his question. Nothing wrong at all with changing your mind.

 

[The Madrigal]

Yup but you never said that..you just ignored his question. Nothing wrong at all with changing your mind.

Based on his hostile tone I didn't think telling him I changed my mind was going to be an answer that would result in a civil conversation. I always do my best to avoid confrontation and discontent here so I thought it best to take the high road to keep the peace. Thanks for your concern though.

 

[Rebels57]

Based on his hostile tone I didn't think telling him I changed my mind was going to be an answer that would result in a civil conversation. I always do my best to avoid confrontation and discontent here so I thought it best to take the high road to keep the peace. Thanks for your concern though.

I can rest easy now

 

[The Madrigal]

I can rest easy now

Just remember that we both think Trump is a POS.

 

[Rebels57]

Just remember that we both think Trump is a POS.

 

[The Madrigal]