Confirmed with Link: Foegele signs-1yr/$2.15M aav

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Boom Boom Apathy

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I don't think $2M is too much at all. Necas scores 16G, 36P (9 on the PP) and was awful defensively and had to be sheltered and people call him untouchable. Foegele scores 13G, 30P (none on the PP) and people say he's replacement level.

The example I give is extreme on purpose as I do understand Necas is 3 years younger and has offensive skills Foegele doesn't have (nor will ever have) so there's the skill / potential element, but I see a bit more in Foegele than maybe others do. McGinn doesn't have his size, doesn't have his speed, has a career high of 30P in 80 games (which included 3 PP Points) vs. Foegele having 30P in 68 games (with No PP Points) and playing in all situations.

Maybe that's all we'll ever see from Foegele is a 30-35 point player, but if he brings the speed, energy, and keeps improving defensively, I think the contract is just fine. If he keeps improving his offensive game and becomes a 40+ point player, the contract is fantastic.

I think the reason that it's 1 year is Foegele betting on himself down the road and the Canes didn't want to offer more long term until he proves himself.
 

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I think it’s a fair deal. I wonder if the single year is for expansion draft purposes...?

They NHL has said Seattle is operating under the same rules Vegas did.

Therefore, the Kraken will be allowed to negotiate with any unsigned UFA or RFA for 72 hours before submitting their picks like Vegas was. If they sign a player (RFA or UFA) that player counts as the pick.

If you think Carolina would prefer to lose Foegele to losing a D, I can see the argument that signing a 1 year deal leaves him as bait for Seattle to consider signing to a longer term deal. But given what will be available around the league and the D Carolina will have to expose, I don't see Francis going to another position for his pick from the Canes.
 

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would have preferred a 2nd year term for that hit, but good to avoid arbitration at any time.

if he and Fast click he could have a breakout year in the 20-20+ range, might even be enough to make Jordo not look like a black hole offensively
I think the later is a dream but :)
 
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I don't think $2M is too much at all. Necas scores 16G, 36P (9 on the PP) and was awful defensively and had to be sheltered and people call him untouchable. Foegele scores 13G, 30P (none on the PP) and people say he's replacement level.

The example I give is extreme on purpose as I do understand Necas is 3 years younger and has offensive skills Foegele doesn't have (nor will ever have) so there's the skill / potential element, but I see a bit more in Foegele than maybe others do. McGinn doesn't have his size, doesn't have his speed, has a career high of 30P in 80 games (which included 3 PP Points) vs. Foegele having 30P in 68 games (with No PP Points) and playing in all situations.

Maybe that's all we'll ever see from Foegele is a 30-35 point player, but if he brings the speed, energy, and keeps improving defensively, I think the contract is just fine. If he keeps improving his offensive game and becomes a 40+ point player, the contract is fantastic.

I think the reason that it's 1 year is Foegele betting on himself down the road and the Canes didn't want to offer more long term until he proves himself.

I agree with the concept of Foegele potentially having more to give. And I think we'll see some of that this year. It isn't inconceivable that he could hit 40 pts. this season (assuming we play something akin to a near full season).

Warren is definitely betting on himself AND I'd be willing to accept that the Canes looked at a 2 year deal for less AAV. In the end, it's a contract that works for both teams and gives the Canes an interesting playing card for the ED.
 

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Imo I feel like he skates well and is a good energy player. But everything else is very below average. Keep in mind he put up those points being stapled to two of the best playmakers on the team. When he was on a line with jstaal he seemed to just disappear. Not to mention there are long stretches of games where he is just invisible. I think he is what he is right now and won't turn into anything more. Lmao I sure hope he proves me wrong now that I talked all this shit.
I'm not comfortable holding that against McLovin
 

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Folks have talked here previously about how there was a fire or drive that existed during the 2018-19 season that was lacking on last year's team. What disappoints me about Foegele is that he is a prime example of that group.

During the Washington and NYI series there Foegele scored 5 goals and 9 points in 11 games and looked really good doing it. He was creating his own dangerous chances with consistency. Unfortunately I can't recall one stretch of games last year where he ever looked nearly that good. He was pretty much invisible in the Playoffs. Personally I didn't see nearly as much fight out of him last season despite him playing more sound hockey.

That said Foegele is still the 3rd or 4th best 5v5 scorer on the team. Which is likely why the Canes are looking to still add a scorer. His 20 5v5 goals over the past 2 years place him among good company in the NHL.
 

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Folks have talked here previously about how there was a fire or drive that existed during the 2018-19 season that was lacking on last year's team. What disappoints me about Foegele is that he is a prime example of that group.

During the Washington and NYI series there Foegele scored 5 goals and 9 points in 11 games and looked really good doing it. He was creating his own dangerous chances with consistency. Unfortunately I can't recall one stretch of games last year where he ever looked nearly that good. He was pretty much invisible in the Playoffs. Personally I didn't see nearly as much fight out of him last season despite him playing more sound hockey.

That said Foegele is still the 3rd or 4th best 5v5 scorer on the team. Which is likely why the Canes are looking to still add a scorer. His 20 5v5 goals over the past 2 years place him among good company in the NHL.

Listening to the Dundon interview a couple of weeks ago, I think the Canes are feeling that increase goal scoring will come from players taking a step forward in development (Necas, Foegele and even Svech) along with a bit of a rebound from some other guys like Nino, Staal and Trochek.

Canes were 11th in the NHL in goal scoring last year (GF/GP), so a it doesn't take much of a bounce back/step forward to near top 5. There will be puts and takes as some guys will likely have down years as well, but staying with the same group has a reasonable chance to improve without adding anyone.
 

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Listening to the Dundon interview a couple of weeks ago, I think the Canes are feeling that increase goal scoring will come from players taking a step forward in development (Necas, Foegele and even Svech) along with a bit of a rebound from some other guys like Nino, Staal and Trochek.

Canes were 11th in the NHL in goal scoring last year (GF/GP), so a it doesn't take much of a bounce back/step forward to near top 5. There will be puts and takes as some guys will likely have down years as well, but staying with the same group has a reasonable chance to improve without adding anyone.

Yeah I'm completely comfortable sticking with what we have and I think there's a good chance that it would work out well. I agree with others that it'd be nice to add one of the potential top 6 wingers still available like Hoffman, but you're completely right that a lot of our young players still have another level they can take it to. I wouldn't be surprised if Svech, Aho, TT got to the level of Boston's top line as soon as this upcoming season, honestly. Necas might take a little bit longer but I do think we see a jump from him similar to Svech/Aho's at some point here. And Trochek in theory is a big upgrade from most of last season and I think there's a good chance he can take a step forward from what we've seen from him so far, as he gets more comfortable and his if his linemates improve as well. Foegele, Nino and Staal are wildcards who could take a step forward from last year as well, though I wouldn't count on any of those guys individually.
 

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It's weird because under these circumstances I don't know what a good contract looks like anymore.

That's easy. Just go to any mainboard thread on any contract signing and you'll easily find a dozen posters that will tell you what a deal their team got on a player signing, compared to the subject of the thread.
 

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That's easy. Just go to any mainboard thread on any contract signing and you'll easily find a dozen posters that will tell you what a deal their team got on a player signing, compared to the subject of the thread.

Team goal: next time someone signs a player, at least 15 of us show up and talk amongst ourselves about how much better the Foegele deal looks in light of this new bad signing.
 

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Send up a Batsignal plz (a Canes-signal?) bc I'm never on the main boards.
Obviously we would never actually gang up to do some organized HFBoards antics, and make fools out of ourselves, no matter how stupid we would feel for example that Buffalo signing Olofsson for two at 3M+ per is in comparison to Foegele's contract.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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Obviously we would never actually gang up to do some organized HFBoards antics, and make fools out of ourselves, no matter how stupid we would feel for example that Buffalo signing Olofsson for two at 3M+ per is in comparison to Foegele's contract.

@Bub batsignal.

Because of the engineer/nerd in me, I had to go look. I was surprised to see that Foegele, while Jordan Staal as his most common linemate in a defensive role, scored at a higher rate 5v5 than Olofsson, who played exclusively with Eichel in an offensive role with tons of offensive zone starts. It's the PP where Olofsson scored his points. Same held true for their times in the ahl.
 

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Rfa prices aren’t going to be COVID effected in arbitration, they’re based on previous deals obviously, so the player has some leverage by saying they want to go that route This amount makes sense to me in that setting. It’s only one year and it doesn’t hurt anything. He’s part of this teams young core and I actually love the way he plays when he isn’t a threat to hurt himself or others. It’s not hard to imagine him scoring huge goals when it matters the most. I didn’t blink when I saw the number.
 
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