Flyers will not be successful til core leadership is changed.

[SteveHanson]

Flyers have gone through 6 coaches and 3 GMs in past decade since cup appearance. The 2010 cup appearance was the last time that they actually had team leadership that wasnt chronically complacent.
I have been saying it for 6 years, the flyers do not have a talent problem, they have a complacent leadership problem. The exact same roster that people around the league were saying earlier this season was a dark horse cup contender is now one of the worst teams in the league. ITS THE SAME ROSTER.
I am not saying G and Voracek should have been traded necessarily, they obviously are skilled players who have put up points. But that does not equate to a good leadership that inspires the bench. When G and Voracek decide to play the team is good, when they dont (take their good old time getting to the bench, give up on plays, turn the puck over with a pass that has a 5% chance) it spreads through the rest of the bench like a cancer.
Coaches and GMs were not errorless over the past decade, but the larger problem is chronic complacent team leadership.
Imagine the flyers with a captain like Dustin Brown, Ryan Callahan or any of leader with 50% talent and 100% heart over the last 10 years...

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[Cody Webster]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I agree. Having a captain like Dustin Brown or Ryan Callahan would have been great. They would have actually bottomed out then.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, this is why the Caps won after trading their loser core away, those bums OV/Backstrom/Carlson/Kuznetsov were never gonna get it done there. Look how many coaches they failed under. Definitely was totally their fault and not the fact that those coaches and management choices were objectively bad.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I agree. Having a captain like Dustin Brown or Ryan Callahan would have been great. They would have actually bottomed out then.

Yeah these slobs have really ruined the rebuild by being so good. Awful.

Captains are responsible for management decisions, G should be ashamed of these teams he's built and failed coaches he hired. Just like Lindros should cry every night about his refusal to get a real goalie solution or bother with drafting and developing dmen in an era that heavily favored them.

 

[BritainStix]

While the thread is ridiculous. I do genuinely believe that a strong leader being added to the group wouldn't be wrong.

 

[Striiker]

The laziest of fan clichés. Blame the stars for the failures of others.

Giroux and Voracek should puppeteer the goalie to make stops, force bad players to become more skilled, and stage a mutiny to take over the coaching job.

We'll just ignore that they've been doing their jobs, are producing, are playing well, and are busting their asses.

 

[Garbage Goal]

While the thread is ridiculous. I do genuinely believe that a strong leader being added to the group wouldn't be wrong.

You could have a team of nothing but strong leaders and consummate professionals and it won’t matter one iota if the people in charge continually fail them. Same as any other business.

 

[SteveHanson]

The laziest of fan clichés. Blame the stars for the failures of others.

Giroux and Voracek should puppeteer the goalie to make stops, force bad players to become more skilled, and stage a mutiny to take over the coaching job.

We'll just ignore that they've been doing their jobs, are producing, are playing well, and are busting their asses.

whats you fix than there skipper? blame AV? blame CF?...then the next coach and next GM.......what has been the one constant over the past decade?

 

[Striiker]

whats you fix than their skipper? blame AV? blame CF?...then the next coach and next GM.......what has been the one constant over the past decade?

The constant over the past decade is

-bad coaching
-bad goaltending
-bad depth
-Giroux and Voracek playing great

I wonder what the problem here is...

 

[kudymen]

 

[TB87]

StRiP tHe C!

 

[SteveHanson]

I agree. Having a captain like Dustin Brown or Ryan Callahan would have been great. They would have actually bottomed out then.

cause dustin brown didnt win two cups and callahan didnt bring his team deep into the finals...go put on your Giroux tshirt and continue to know nothing about hockey

 

[kudymen]

go put on your Giroux tshirt and continue to know nothing about hockey

Great retort

 

[FlyTimmo]

cause dustin brown didnt win two cups and callahan didnt bring his team deep into the finals...go put on your Giroux tshirt and continue to know nothing about hockey

 

[SteveHanson]

While the thread is ridiculous. I do genuinely believe that a strong leader being added to the group wouldn't be wrong.

well thats the point of the entire thread....contradict yourself much?

 

[Nizzle]

The constant over the past decade is

-bad coaching
-bad goaltending
-bad depth
-Giroux and Voracek playing great

I wonder what the problem here is...

When you have Carlo Colaiacovo, Niklas Grossmann and MANDOG playing regular minutes I’d say there’s a problem.

 

[Beef Invictus]

whats you fix than there skipper? blame AV? blame CF?...then the next coach and next GM.......what has been the one constant over the past decade?

The one constant is absolutely incompetent management and team building.

 

[kudymen]

Chuck Fletcher is amazing, he drafted Kiril Kaprizov

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

cause dustin brown didnt win two cups and callahan didnt bring his team deep into the finals...go put on your Giroux tshirt and continue to know nothing about hockey

The Los Angeles Kings won two Cups and Callahan was part of a TEAM that went deep into the playoffs. Brown and Callahan didn't accomplish those feats by themselves.

Also, i'll gladly continue to know nothing about hockey because hockey is stupid and I look damn good in my Giroux shirt.

 

[Rebels57]

Holy hell is this embarassing.

 

[SteveHanson]

The constant over the past decade is

-bad coaching
-bad goaltending
-bad depth
-Giroux and Voracek playing great

I wonder what the problem here is...

Dear new flyers fan, i am just going to entertain thought number 1 with. Look up who they are and if they have won anything.
John Stevens
Peter Laviolette
Chief
AV

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[mize370]

Blah blah blah get rid of Giroux. Blah blah blah. Trade Voracek. Blah blah blah. Same shit. Different thread.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Dude dishing out hot burns left and right. Reminds me of that guy who might have been Manning himself who said he was ripped.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Hahahahaha I was just thinking to myself:

"I wonder if they will let just anybody start a thread, no matter how mind-numbingly stupid and pointless it is?"