Lindberg
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Just flat out wrong.
It wasn't like there was choice A ) Chris Stewart and choice B) No one.
I mean according to you it's impossible for them to sign someone like PEB or etc then.
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Just flat out wrong.
It wasn't like there was choice A ) Chris Stewart and choice B) No one.
I mean according to you it's impossible for them to sign someone like PEB or etc then.
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deadhead
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For 13th forward to sit in the press box? Who signs a one year deal at the veteran minimum for that role? Not PEB.
Striiker
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I can't control what you have and haven't seen, my dude. It doesn't change their existence. And again, the stats back this up.
I'd keep all three of them but if I'm forced to trade one I trade Provorov. His trade-value-to-on-ice-play ratio is the most screwed up and he gets paid the most, while having never been the best of the three. You could get a massive return for him, like what we just saw with Seth Jones. You're not getting that return for the other two, in spite of the on-ice results.
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Lindberg
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Semantics. I'm sure you can find someone who is better than Chris Stewart and is a legit NHL tweener to sit in the box. Sure as shit isn't Biceps Chris Stewart.
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IF you watched the games last year, Ghost was easily the best defenseman on the team, followed by Sandheim.
The rest were terrible including Provorov. Myers, Hagg, etc were really bad.
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Provorov is over-rated.
A few highlight reel goals.
But so many bad plays, turnovers, etc
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Remarkablr
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I watched every single game, and for the record, I haven’t said WHO I think was the best. But I just find it so hard to believe that this whole fan base would say Ghost was the best last year. I would be shocked to hear that. Like I said, maybe I’m wrong, which wouldn’t be crazy. Just shocked is all.
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Striiker
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Gert B Frobe
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Actually I'm pretty sure most of this board has come to the conclusion that Ghost was their best D last year, even if some of them try to minimize it with the "but that's not saying much" comments.
Provorov was awful
Myers was awful
Hagg and Braun are awful
Sanheim was the only other guy who was good
Also who says we had to give any of them to Arizona? That's not reality and not even worth a hypothetical.
Ghost was the Flyers best defenseman last season, and most of this board agrees with your opinion?
Good Lord...
Striiker
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No, that’s what happened and others came to the same conclusion because they watched the games.
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Hurricane28
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I think Provorov does more than the previous poster says, but he is definitely overrated by this fanbase. They think he's a true #1 when he's not. He's a top pair defenseman when paired with the correct partner. He cannot carry a top pair.
Gert B Frobe
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So what does everyone think of the Voracek for Atkinson trade?
I like it personally. Just what we need.
I like it personally. Just what we need.
Striiker
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Yup. And that's not an insult to him at all.
He's what I call a "top-pair-capable top 4 defensemen". As in, he can play on the top pair and not be out of place, but isn't someone who is a clear lock to be there, no matter what, no matter what team, no matter who he's with.
Good defensively, good in transition, good skater, great at shooting on the rush, PKs, and can play a ton of icetime. He can be the other half of a very good pair, like he was with Ghost or Niskanen.
On the other hand... he's not the kind of guy that can play with anyone and carry. He's not great in all situations - pretty bad in the offensive zone when set up, awful on the PP, not creative or dynamic - and isn't consistent from season to season. Although part of that is the coaches fault for overusing him and asking way too much, which of course is going to negatively impact his game. Cut his icetime back and I'd bet his play improves. He's the kind of guy with great instincts but not great IQ, if that makes any sense.... the more time he has the worse his decision making is, as if he overloads by thinking too much (which is why he's great on the rush and sucks on the PP).
I like him a lot; even have a signed mini-helmet. I just wish he was set up to succeed instead of set up to fail. He could be a much better asset if used appropriately.
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Gert B Frobe
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Goal #5 is just great. Atkinson walks around Hagg and beats Pickard as Folin skates by. God what a pairing that was...
Juicy Pop
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It's a pretty binary choice here:
30 GMs were completely idiotic and should have lept at a free top-4D [with spare assets to boot in a trade]
or
Our fans were biased towards a former player and couldn't make a good evaluation of his play in a shortened season
I'll go with the easier explanation.
Striiker
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Not every GM had the cap space or the need to change up their D.
The rest are completely idiotic and should have leapt at a free top-4D. Yes.
There's no possible way to argue that Ghost should have negative value. He's a net positive player on a good contract.
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Hurricane28
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Oh god, not this argument again about the 30 GMs
Juicy Pop
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Arizona is a tire fire. They traded two of their better players and their goalie to play when Kuemper is hurt again.
