Rumor: Flames pursuing Jaromir Jagr
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It would be cool to see him on the flames but I don't really see where he fits into the flames lineup. I suppose I could see him playing the Hudler type role on the top line because he's not the fastest anymore but then where does Ferland go? I'd rather have 1 spot up for grabs for a rookie to grab and maybe sign a vet to a pto to fight for that spot.
I hope Jagr gets to play another year but I just don't see the fit with the flames.
I hope Jagr gets to play another year but I just don't see the fit with the flames.
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Would prefer to leave a spot open for a rookie like Jankowski or Foo to fight over but that's never really been the Flames' way.
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Jagr is still a good player I'd like to have him play with Bennett I think a Versteeg-Bennett-Jagr line would be a damn good possession line that could get around 40 points a piece. Also there are likely to be injuries so some AHLers will get opportunity (hopefully some of the 1st rounders instead of just Garnett Hathaway).
Also even with the price we payed for Lazar I think there is a chance we try and sneak him through waivers (Unless there is some surprise coming up it looks likely that 2 of Lazar, Porier and Shinkaruk will have to be sent down and I'm not sure Lazar will outplay them in training camp.
Also even with the price we payed for Lazar I think there is a chance we try and sneak him through waivers (Unless there is some surprise coming up it looks likely that 2 of Lazar, Porier and Shinkaruk will have to be sent down and I'm not sure Lazar will outplay them in training camp.
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Shinkaruk: 14GP for the flames, 2 G 2 A 4 P
Poirier: 8GP for the flames, 0G 1A 1P
Lazar: 4 GP for the flames, 1G 2 A 3P
In his short time with the flames Lazar has shown to be vastly more NHL capable than either of the other two, so I'm not sure why you don't believe he can outplay them.
IMO there is next to no chance that someone claims poirier, even if he does have a great preseason, just because of his poor play last season and the news story.
Shinkaruk might be someone's waiver target, but I can't say I'd be that worried about losing him. It seems every team has a player or two like him already, and we've seen better players than him pass through waivers.
Lazar has the most value of the three (set by us, no way we could trade Poirier or Shinkaruk for a second) so I doubt we waive him unless we're absolutely forced to.
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Janko gets buried if Jagr is signed. Foo IMO spends a season in the AHL to learn the system and season. No room on RW for him IMO.
Jagr has played 72+ games for a while now. But IMO, the kids will have a chance to grab a cup of coffee as I don't believe management will bother to have our team fight through injuries. 2-4 games at a time IMO. We will likely call up kids constantly all season.
Not sure about the Lazar sneak down thing though... we will see what happens.
Jagr has played 72+ games for a while now. But IMO, the kids will have a chance to grab a cup of coffee as I don't believe management will bother to have our team fight through injuries. 2-4 games at a time IMO. We will likely call up kids constantly all season.
Not sure about the Lazar sneak down thing though... we will see what happens.
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Because I think the other two are better players currently, Lazar would've been down in the AHL if Ottawa hadn't rushed him and made him waiver eligible. Even with his 3 points in 5 (1 playoff game and this a ridiculously small sample size where he had an assist on an empty netter) he had 4 points in 38 games that season (I know mono, Poirier was also struggling through substance abuse). Even when he was in the AHL for his conditioning stint he had 4 points in 13 games. Where as Shinkaruk specifically produces well in the AHL but doesn't put up big numbers due to really evenly distributed icetime.
I wasn't a fan of the Lazar trade when it happened and I still don't like it now. I think it was unnecessary and spent a 2nd on another tweener stuck between the AHL and NHL. A spot that was already pretty easily filled internally (Hathaway, Hamilton, Poirier and Shinkaruk) unless he can be a third line winger or better I don't get it.
On the other hand he did have a good rookie season in Ottawa and he was very good at the WJC, but even his good seasons are only 4th line caliber play. FTR I hope he works out.
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I think for Lazar though, he's going to be tested at C rather than penned in at RW. After Janko, we don't really have C depth and we don't have the picks to acquire C depth in the next year or two. Janko and Lazar are good options to have.
This season:
Mony, Backlund, Bennett, Stajan, Lazar, Janko, Nothing on the farm
Next season?
Mony, Backlund, Bennett, ?, Lazar, Janko, Nothing on the farm/no one to block
This is also why I've been curious if Stajan extended at a Verteeg-esque contract might occur next season or if there's a FA to be had. I really doubt Lazar/Janko/Bennett all solidify themselves as bottom 6 C > to Stajan, Stajan would play wing in general though if extended.
This season:
Mony, Backlund, Bennett, Stajan, Lazar, Janko, Nothing on the farm
Next season?
Mony, Backlund, Bennett, ?, Lazar, Janko, Nothing on the farm/no one to block
This is also why I've been curious if Stajan extended at a Verteeg-esque contract might occur next season or if there's a FA to be had. I really doubt Lazar/Janko/Bennett all solidify themselves as bottom 6 C > to Stajan, Stajan would play wing in general though if extended.
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Yes please to Jagr.
On a down season where his team spent most of the season without their two best offensive players this guy still scored 46 points. Would be an instant upgrade to our depth for little to no actual cost.
I think he'd compliment a player like Bennett and Versteeg, especially getting some easy OZ Time.
On a down season where his team spent most of the season without their two best offensive players this guy still scored 46 points. Would be an instant upgrade to our depth for little to no actual cost.
I think he'd compliment a player like Bennett and Versteeg, especially getting some easy OZ Time.
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It's just a curiosity as we don't have centre depth on the farm for injury situations. It doesn't have to Stajan, but just think it doesn't look like we'd be able to fill it internally either. The BEST case scenario would be trading Stajan as a rental and recouping a young B level prospect C for the farm... but the odds of that don't seem great and re-signing Stajan seems more likely. That's just the point I was trying to make.
Having Stajan play wing does block a LW though. Could Freddy supplant Stajan and force Stajan/Free agent into a 13th forward situation for that C depth? That's the question, but wildly off topic with the situation at hand.
Of course, this idea is somewhat moot if Lazar and Janko prove to be great centres... but time will tell.
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