Series Discussion: Flames - Jets (Flames Win 3-1)

[bob77]

What six D play in game 1 vs. the Jets, and why?

 

[Deen]

Yeah never mind. I completely forgot about Hanifin.

 

[Mazatt]

What six D play in game 1 vs. the Jets, and why?

Giordano - Brodie. Tried and true line. That shit works.

Hanifin - Andersson. They worked when we had them together, gets Andersson ice time and Hanifin plays with someone he works with.

Gustafsson - Hamonic. Just let Hamonic stay at home and let Gustafsson work it up the zone. Then Gus can also run PP1

 

[Kranix]

If it was me...

Gio-Andersson
Brodie-Gustaffson
Forbort/Kylington-Hamonic

Without Valimaki.

Brodie needs to be paired with one of Andersson/Gio. Gustaffson is probably bottom pairing anyway.

 

[Fig]

Brodie needs to be paired with one of Andersson/Gio. Gustaffson is probably bottom pairing anyway.

If it were me, I'd go:

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Fobort - Brodie
Gus/Kylington

Or

Gio - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson/Hamonic
Fobort - Gus
Kylington/Hamonic

 

[Mobiandi]

We have a much more versatile defense than the Jets and there's numerous combinations that could work but I fully expect us to run something like

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Forbort-Andersson

When we could have something like
Gio-Brodie
Kylington-Andersson
Hanifin-Gustafsson

 

[Mazatt]

How do y'all see the forward lines coming up out of camp/who do you see being invited to and subsequently winning a spot out of the training camp?

 

[FlamerForLife]

How do y'all see the forward lines coming up out of camp/who do you see being invited to and subsequently winning a spot out of the training camp?

I feel like they'll go with the status quo that we ran for the last couple of months before the stop:
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Ryan-Dube
Bennett-Jankowski-Rieder
Rinaldo

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic (should be Andersson but Ward will keep these two together smh)
Gustafsson-Andersson
Forbort, Stone, Kylington, Valimaki

assuming you can have 28 skaters I'd guess the extras would be all forwards considering we would have 10 d-men, so probably: Quine, Robinson, Gawdin, Phillips and Czarnik/Lomberg/Ruzicka?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I thought Gustavsson looked like an absolute disaster in his own zone.

Forbot I thought was fine.

Basically the opposite of what I expected.

 

[Mazatt]

I'd hope our final line-up resembles

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Tkachuk
Lucic - Ryan - Dube
Rieder/Quine - Bennett - Czarnik

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson
Gustafsson - Hamonic

Rittich
Talbot

 

[JPeeper]

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Ras
Valimaki-Kylington

if we're talking about the absolute best line-up. Since I would prefer to keep Valimaki exempt from the draft I don't play him unfortunately. And because the Flames are run by complete morons, not only will Kylington not get in, but two of Forbort, Hamonic or Stone will be in.

If Hamonic has to draw in, if they keep him the f*** away from Hanifin and keep Hanifin-Ras together I will at least feel safe with two pairings. Still though, a Forbort-Hamonic pairing will be the biggest dumpster fire in the history of d-pairings. If we had a guy like Laviolette running our bench I'd be fine with that 'cause he'd know to play them once every 9 shifts, since we have Ward who is a moron, they'll get 15 minutes minimum a night, go -4 every night and we'll get swept.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I actually think Forbort and Hamonic would be well above average for a third pairing.

If anything I could see us running 7 dmen, with Gustafsson playing as a pure PP specialist.

Reider and Rinaldo should not see any time in the playoffs.

 

[Fig]

I actually think Forbort and Hamonic would be well above average for a third pairing.

If anything I could see us running 7 dmen, with Gustafsson playing as a pure PP specialist.

Reider and Rinaldo should not see any time in the playoffs.

Two defensive dmen together? I guess at least it wouldn't be as easily hemmed in like other dual defensive pairings... Not the worst idea, but I'm unsure what to think about that pairing.

 

[Mazatt]

I actually think Forbort and Hamonic would be well above average for a third pairing.

If anything I could see us running 7 dmen, with Gustafsson playing as a pure PP specialist.

Reider and Rinaldo should not see any time in the playoffs.

Forbort Hamonic would be above average in terms of blocking shots but the breakout game and offesnive game would suck ass. Both guys lack offensive creativity and it would be a down low cycle with a defensemen getting it to shoot or pass back down low immediately. Would much prefer an offensive option there.

I don't have faith in our coaching to properly pull off having a 7th d-man in the lineup. Sometimes I feel like the Flames are run like a minor league bench where players change themselves.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Two defensive dmen together? I guess at least it wouldn't be as easily hemmed in like other dual defensive pairings... Not the worst idea, but I'm unsure what to think about that pairing.

I think it would definitely work in a third pairing capacity. It would simplify the game for each of them, and not have them running around trying to cover for a rover like Gustaffson or Hanifin (at times).

 

[HighLifeMan]

Forbort Hamonic would be above average in terms of blocking shots but the breakout game and offesnive game would suck ass. Both guys lack offensive creativity and it would be a down low cycle with a defensemen getting it to shoot or pass back down low immediately. Would much prefer an offensive option there.

I don't have faith in our coaching to properly pull off having a 7th d-man in the lineup. Sometimes I feel like the Flames are run like a minor league bench where players change themselves.

I get that point of view but Gustafsson to me is much more of a liability at even strength, and also can't contribute to the PK.

Both Forbort and Hamonic have decent mobility for there size, and their first passes are not horrible. If utilized correctly in terms of matchups it could be extremely effective. Now whether or not the coaching staff can get those matchups is another story as you mentioned.

 

[Mazatt]

I get that point of view but Gustafsson to me is much more of a liability at even strength, and also can't contribute to the PK.

Both Forbort and Hamonic have decent mobility for there size, and their first passes are not horrible. If utilized correctly in terms of matchups it could be extremely effective. Now whether or not the coaching staff can get those matchups is another story as you mentioned.

yeah Gustafsson isn't great at even strength defensively but he contributes to the rush and has offensive creativity which the team lacks. And as far as the PK goes we have so many options before him I don't think that is a big knock against him.

Forbort and Hamonic are mobile and CAN break it out but beyond that I don't like their offensive contributions. Personally, given the choice I'd only have one of Hamonic or Forbort in to insulate and protect Gustafsson at minimal 5v5 minutes to allow one of them to head-man PK1 with Giordano while Gustafsson takes PP 1 minutes

 

[HighLifeMan]

yeah Gustafsson isn't great at even strength defensively but he contributes to the rush and has offensive creativity which the team lacks. And as far as the PK goes we have so many options before him I don't think that is a big knock against him.

Forbort and Hamonic are mobile and CAN break it out but beyond that I don't like their offensive contributions. Personally, given the choice I'd only have one of Hamonic or Forbort in to insulate and protect Gustafsson at minimal 5v5 minutes to allow one of them to head-man PK1 with Giordano while Gustafsson takes PP 1 minutes

I agree with most of that which is why I suggested the 7 dmen rotation.

I would rather have Gus quaterback the PP and take the occasional even strength shift than have Rinaldo or Reider play 7 or 8 minutes a game.

If I had to guess we will likely see Forbort out of the lineup to start the series with Gus - Hamonic as the bottom pairing.

 

[Mazatt]

I agree with most of that which is why I suggested the 7 dmen rotation.

I would rather have Gus quaterback the PP and take the occasional even strength shift than have Rinaldo or Reider play 7 or 8 minutes a game.

If I had to guess we will likely see Forbort out of the lineup to start the series with Gus - Hamonic as the bottom pairing.

Running with the idea of 7 defensemen, if Gaudreau is on his game of course, is he and Tkachuk both get extra shifts as the right wing with Bennett and Jankowski against teams bottom lines, and that's where Gustafsson would come out with Hamonic to jump start offense from the back end every once in a while

Another idea is possibly Gustafsson top pairing with Giordano and adjusting pairings to be more equal from there but I think our top 4 set up is fine with Andersson and Hanifin togther.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Running with the idea of 7 defensemen, if Gaudreau is on his game of course, is he and Tkachuk both get extra shifts as the right wing with Bennett and Jankowski against teams bottom lines, and that's where Gustafsson would come out with Hamonic to jump start offense from the back end every once in a while

Another idea is possibly Gustafsson top pairing with Giordano and adjusting pairings to be more equal from there but I think our top 4 set up is fine with Andersson and Hanifin togther.

Yeah. Rotate Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Lindholm in for the extra minutes as not to tire one specific guy.

It's a nice idea in theory. Doubt we see it however.

 

[Mazatt]

Now picture this, 8 defensemen. Kylington and Gustafsson out there every tenth shift or something with Hamonic/Forbort. Then you take Bennett. He's the lone 4th liner. But Lindholm/Tkachuk/Gustafsson/Kylington/Gaudreau play with him every once in a while. Genius moves.

 

[JPeeper]

You guys are high if you think a Forbort and Hamonic pairing wouldn't be a complete train wreck. They would literally never NOT be in their own zone for every shift. And every shift would be 2 minutes because they can't clear it other than icing. They're both GOD AWFUL defensively.

Two guys who are absolute train wrecks in their own zone, two guys are tank their pairings, two guys who can't make an outlet pass, two guys who can't skate it out of their own end. How is that an effective pairing. Even the worst of the worst 4th lines would feast on them and any good coach would match up their top lines against them.

 

[Mazatt]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Forbort is trash at defence. In the games we saw he was sound and strong and could be good with a puck moving parnter to outlet to on breakouts. But saying he was bad seems wrong to me.

 

[Mobiandi]

This series will come down to a coaching battle rather than one between the pioes. Hopefully Ward doesn't lose as badly as Peters did last year

 

[Ace Rimmer]

EDIT: NVM, made a mistake. Somehow thought Treliving was also involved with Mr Lube.

You’re probably confused by the Lucic trade.

Clearly there was lube involved.