Fix The Mets

[Elliman]

We got a lot of solid baseball guys here.

Let’s see how you can fix my Mets.

Let’s hear it!

We got a defending cy young winner in deGrom, current ROTY leading contender and home run derby king Pete Alonso, the leagues leading hitting machine in Jeff McNeil along with some other nice “pieces”
in Conforto, Diaz, Smith, Nimmo, Thor & others.....

So play GM for a day and show me your 2020 World Series winning NY Mets!

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[AdmiralsFan24]

They need to rebuild.

 

[Thedogo]

Fire Callaway simple.

 

[CupofOil]

They need a new owner.

 

[John Price]

Counterargument: Don't and let the tire fire continue

 

[robert terwilliger]

2020? lmao

 

[John Price]

In MLB The Show you would just trade all assets including DeGrom for a wealth of pitching prospects and free up space to go on a massive spending spree. Any team can be rebuild. The challenge is in doing so.

 

[JWK]

Trade bad players for good players.

It’s obviously that simple

 

[HajdukSplit]

Ok this will be semi-long and maybe rambling but here it goes

I'm no expert when it comes to "armchair GM" in terms of specific trades that can work, contracts, player control/service time rules etc. so I won't get too detailed in that stuff. The Mets need a total rebuild because I don't think this group of veteran players can win, unfortunately I don't see it happening under BVW and because this silly belief that "New York fans don't do rebuilds"

One of the big issues is the Mets farm system is brutally bad right now, without even looking I would guess certainly bottom 5 in the league and with the exception of Anthony Kay most of the top rated prospects are years away playing in A-ball or lower. Alderson also didn't do that great of a job in the draft with only Conforto, Alonso succeeding in terms of top picks (still too early to rate Dom Smith another 1st rounder) with McNeil and Lugo being the only late round gems

- Lets right off the bat get the unrealistic out of the way, new ownership. Penny pinching and too involved in the on-field baseball decisions, however this is wishful thinking...

- New Manager: This season isn't entirely Mickey's fault but he isn't a good in-game manager and makes some questionable decisions. Unfortunately at this pace he will go down as one of the worst managers in Mets history along with the likes of Jeff Torborg and Art Howe. He simply is not the man to take the Mets to the next level and at this point in the season there is no point in firing him as it's too late for a spark. In the offseason bring in an experienced manager (again, not sure ownership will want them as they have their hands on the team). Everybody is pining for Girardi but I think Showalter would be a good fit.

- Untouchables: deGrom, Alonso, McNeil, Conforto. I would have put Rosario here a few months ago but his defense is a mess despite that being to attribute everybody rated about when coming through the system

- Rotation: Open to trading Syndergaard if you can get a good return. Trade Wheeler but try to sign him in the offseason (with him being on the DL now who knows if this will happen). I've given up on Matz as a starter and would move him to the pen and see how he does there. Move Lugo to the rotation this season and see what he can do. Anthony Kay up in September and hopefully he is ready for next season. Do not want to see any part of Flexen, Oswalt, Lockett anymore and the depth of the SP needs fixing

- Trade all pending UFAs (Frazier, Vargas)...you won't get much in return but hopefully you can hit the jackpot on some middling prospect

- Ideally move McNeil to the infield, because we are stuck with Cano, probably 3B until Lowrie returns . There is talks about moving Rosario to the outfield and if that's the case, try it out this season and see what you got with him because Lagares is not a major league player and long term I don't see Nimmo as a everyday player (solid 4th/5th OF)

- I mentioned shopping Syndergaard, add Dom Smith, Diaz and Ramos to this list as well and see what you can get. I might be jumping the gun on Diaz but I feel he is too fragile. Dom Smith has probably increased his value but I don't see a spot for him on the team, don't have confidence he can be an everyday outfielder and he isn't gong to play 1B. Ramos will be tough to move but try and give Nido the rest of the season. The star pitchers like pitching to him and he is good defensively. He doesn't hit enough and my hunch is he is nothing more than a reliable backup catcher but worth trying it out.

- As crazy as this sounds, hopefully Cespedes is able to play next season and he should be motivated because it's his walk year and then dump him next summer...maybe wishful thinking but you can't move him easily right now

- Bullpen is obviously a mess but call me crazy but I think a lot of this is down to pure luck, sometimes you have these guys dominate out of nowhere. The only hope is Familia, Diaz, Wilson recover. I like Zamora but the lefty specialist will be obsolete with the new rules coming. No young arms excite me except Drew Smith who is out with Tommy John so his return isn't imminent

However at the end of the day this is the Mets, even if they decide to dump the roster there is little guarantee they will know what they are doing in terms of bringing in players, I certainly have no confidence in it. And as much as I want to see it, I don't think they will ever do a complete rebuild and instead do half-ass year to year roster building and hope for the best

 

[darko]

Trade Syndergaard, deGrom, Wheeler, Diaz, Frazier. Build around Alonso, McNeil, Conforto and Nimmo. Eat good chunk of Cano's salary and try to move him.

2020? More like 2025.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Wilpons need to sell the team. It starts with them.

 

[kingsholygrail]

We take the Astros. We put them in New York. We take the Mets. We put them in Houston.

 

[HajdukSplit]

In typical Mets fashion, d'Arnaud is owning the Yankees this year after hitting under .100 for the Mets in the first month of the season. Add Jay Bruce too who is owning the Mets with the Phillies

 

[John Price]

We take the Astros. We put them in New York. We take the Mets. We put them in Houston.

Reminds me of this. The Mets could use a new director of scouting.



@Fixed to Ruin

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Reminds me of this. The Mets could use a new director of scouting.



@Fixed to Ruin

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Fixing the New York baseball Mets is an intractable problem akin to solving World Hunger and quantifying every Prime Number in the universe.

 

[KevFu]

Here's the thing with rebuilds. You don't REBUILD by tearing down the team via trades of good veterans for prospects. Everyone likes to point to trades where teams acquired great prospects and won the trade. People like to dream that if you trade Jacob deGrom for four prospects, you're going to get a future deGrom replacement, a future offensive all-star, and two pieces that are significant MLB pieces.

But the success rate of prospects is TERRIBLE compared to the certainty of the asset you're trading away. Only 30% of top prospects lists are legit MLB regular players. You're losing talent when you tear down.

Everyone likes to point to the Astros rebuild, where they traded away EVERYONE, were terrible for five years and came back with a World Series team. But there was only one significant piece acquired from tearing down on their Championship roster (super sub Marwin Gonzalez). The All-Stars that led them to the World Series they got from drafting with the first few picks for years.

Tearing down just assures you of having an MLB roster so terrible that you get good draft picks.

It's absolutely pointless for the Mets to do a full rebuild.

You divide players into three groups:
Guys worth keeping.
Guys who need to be dumped/replaced.
Guys who are expendable role parts.

Blowing it up means trading the guys worth keeping for lesser talent. All that needs to be replaced is that second group of guys (Frazier, Vargas, Ramos, Cano, etc, etc).

The Mets have a good young core, they go out and get veteran supporting cast. Screw it up royally. Recycle for different veterans with less money to spend; and then a once promising group is a bad team. It constantly happens to the Mets (see 2001 offseason, 2008 offseason, etc).

The Cano trade was a terrible idea. Simply rolling out the 2017 roster again would have been a far better one than committing $100 million over 5 years to a 36-year old, and giving up our top prospect to do it.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

As a Mets fan, anyone not named Alonso, McNeil, DeGrom, Syndergaard is on the table. Maybe add Conforto as well to the list. We’ve got really solid pieces there. Trade Frazier, Ramos, and Wheeler. Listen on Rosario

Take the L and trade Diaz. Take a bigger L and get whatever you can to move Cano’s deal with as little money retained as possible (which will be sizable). Move McNeil back to 2B full time where he should be.

But the biggest problems with the Mets aren’t the players on the field. It’s the manager and it’s the owner. I couldn’t believe they went BVW over Chain Bloom. That was mind bogglingly stupid IMO, but this is where you are.

It’s incredibly painful how bad that trade for Cano/Diaz is. Top prospect gone for what’s already a net loss.

 

[KevFu]

As a Mets fan, anyone not named Alonso, McNeil, DeGrom, Syndergaard is on the table. Maybe add Conforto as well to the list. We’ve got really solid pieces there. Trade Frazier, Ramos, and Wheeler. Listen on Rosario

Take the L and trade Diaz. Take a bigger L and get whatever you can to move Cano’s deal with as little money retained as possible (which will be sizable).

It’s incredibly painful how bad that trade for Cano/Diaz is. Top prospect gone for what’s already a net loss.

1. Taking the L on any trade -- and any selling trades aside from Frazier, Vargas, Ramos or Lagares, ARE Taking an L - accomplishes nothing. It's just the faux appearance that we're trying to do something to make the team better, but doesn't actually make the team better; it results in a loss of overall talent and for what? To get marginally cheaper and a couple losing lottery tickets.

2. As disappointing as he's been, trading Diaz is absolutely a terrible move.


"Blowing it up" is a stupid move. We simply need to do what the Wilpons have never been willing to do, and what they've been incapable of doing post-Madoff: Pay our mistakes to go away and replace them with non-mistakes. We haven't been willing to pay for elite talent the last 10 years (not since Beltran), and every secondary choice we ever make bites us in the butt. Dumping Bruce/Swarzek this offseason (Seattle found trades, but we couldn't) and Frazier, and then signing Machado instead of Lowrie was an elite talent move and not a mistake compared to Cano. We'd also have another $15 million to chase a closer with that money. McNeil-Machado-Conforto-Alonso-Smith-Rosario-Nimmo-Nido/Plawecki, with Kimbrell or Andrew Miller instead of Diaz is a better team, AND CHEAPER than what we're paying these guys to be fourth place.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Have them play every other month in Montreal

 

[Scintillating10]

Trade a starter for a catcher, shortstop and centerfielder?

 

[KevFu]

Trade a starter for a catcher, shortstop and centerfielder?

We should just give the job to Nido. He can't really hit, but at least our pitchers are good throwing to him.

Trade Frazier, Ramos, Vargas and Lagares for the best offer you can get. Take quantity over quality prospect wise and hope you can play the odds and get lucky.
Trade Wheeler for the best package you can get.
Trade Dom Smith for the best current MLB player you can get.

 

[SupremeNachos]

Get the owner super drunk and have him sign away the team and then poison him.

 

[c9777666]

They need an ownership overhaul ala the Blackhawks/Warriors

 

[MMC]

Here comes Marcus Stroman to fix the Mets