oobga
Tier 2 Fan
- Aug 1, 2003
- 22,936
- 17,813
Serious question: Raise your hand if you are feeling positive about Chiarellis next big trade
Serious question: Raise your hand if you are feeling positive about Chiarellis next big trade
This year he didn't improve the team (which I've criticized him heavily for) and they flat out sucked. But again, to be fair I think it's a pretty tough situation when three of your top4 d-men struggle with injuries throughout the season and then combine that with below-average goaltending. That could sink any team (see TB last year), and I firmly believe this is a better hockey team than what they showed last year.
Also, realistically, what was Chia supposed to do about the injuries this year? It's not like top4 d-men are cheap and easy to acquire. Is it worth spending big assets to get a stop gap guy? Or do you just ride out the year and bounce back the following season? I'm genuinely curious what other options there were out there.
A competent backup goalie on the other hand shouldn't have been that hard or expensive to acquire, so that's a major fail in my book. This was a known issue for a while too. Betting on LB was stupid, same as betting on 'internal development' in terms of the forwards after trading away Eberle. Good GM's don't bet on unknowns unless they're absolutely forced to due to cap constraints. Oilers weren't in that position. Jokinen was a really bad gamble too, although I don't know if anyone here would've predicted he would've been as bad/useless as he was.
Either Chia learns from his mistakes this past season or he gets fired. All the wailing to fire him this off-season was too much and too soon.
Chia's never shown any indication that he learns from his mistakes and giving him another chance to **** things up with another lost trade is ridiculous.
He said learn from his mistakes, so that means not giving NMC away like candy, cap management, and losing major trades. I don’t see anything he’s done here that would make me believe he’s learned from those 3 mistakes.Yeah. Never, ever in his career.
Pulled that cup win and the second conference finals out of thin air.
Best regular season in 30 years for the Oilers was a complete fluke as was the first playoff appearance in a decade.
It's such vulgar, ill-informed bile that really detracts from the arguments of the most diehard anti-Chia faction here on HFOil.
Yeah. Never, ever in his career.
Pulled that cup win and the second conference finals out of thin air.
Best regular season in 30 years for the Oilers was a complete fluke as was the first playoff appearance in a decade.
It's such vulgar, ill-informed bile that really detracts from the arguments of the most diehard anti-Chia faction here on HFOil.
He said learn from his mistakes, so that means not giving NMC away like candy, cap management, and losing major trades. I don’t see anything he’s done here that would make me believe he’s learned from those 3 mistakes.
Don't forget he was gifted a great core and fluked into a all-time great performance from a 30-something journeyman goalie.
2/3 years out of the playoffs with the best player in a generation. Wheeee.
"Vulgar?" You're the tone police now?
In Boston, he bled talent and rewarded "character" players with bloated contracts. He's done the same here so I'm not sure where the evidence that he learns from his mistakes is. "But muh playoffs!"
Ron Hainsey is also 37 and was coming off of a Stanley Cup Championship run. You can excuse him for settling for a less risky deal. The others? Sure they're in Kris Russell territory of what's expected from them. The point was the Oilers were in no position to let him walk. Every one of those other options were off the table July 1st. People were already pissed we didn't sign someone else from that crop of FAs due to the Sekera injury. But we can ***** and complain about Chiarelli signing someone who was ON THE OILERS playoff roster? For a minimal raise to boot? That no movement clause is nothing more than three letter that will never effect anything. The moment Kris Russell becomes redundant on the Edmonton Oilers is the day he waives it. Stop causing yourself senseless stress.
Fun fact. That generational talent missed half of one of those two out of the playoff seasons. Kinda puts the 2 of 3 years missing the playoffs into perspective.
Maybe if you define 'ability to learn from his mistakes' in a way that can be clearly measured. Bloated contracts, bleeding talent and the pejorative "character" players are all wildly open to interpretation and always interpreted negatively by you.
The funny thing is that he wasn't a needed commodity, just someone they could use in a small role.???? What are you basing this on? Why on earth would you assume this? He's stated multiple times that staying in Alberta is a big deal to him.
The funny thing is that he wasn't a needed commodity, just someone they could use in a small role.
Yeah. Never, ever in his career.
Pulled that cup win and the second conference finals out of thin air.
Best regular season in 30 years for the Oilers was a complete fluke as was the first playoff appearance in a decade.
It's such vulgar, ill-informed bile that really detracts from the arguments of the most diehard anti-Chia faction here on HFOil.
Yeah it points to a guy who is not getting enough help.
Well the problem is it's subjective. Bleeding talent is a bad thing, but others will find all kinds of reasons to justify a trade that is a loser from a pure value point of view. Let me put it this way: I don't think Chia learns from his mistakes because in his mind, these things are probably not mistakes.
Yeah. I don't mind the Sekera NMC because he fills a huge role for the team when playing well. Russell on the other hand is a #4 at best, and while is playing around a level that meets his dollar value, definitely doesn't deserve a NMC. Especially at that price.
I really hope Chia learns from his mistakes. We'll find out more this off-season and especially come training camp. Cap management is absolutely Chia's biggest issue.
I suspect we will see a mid-level type move on defence. Hopefully it's for a decent RHS PP specialist on a short contract. The shorter term is to give Bear and maybe Persson a season in Bako to develop with the hopes one of them can grab that job in 2019-20. Even at that one of Klefa/Nurse/Benning has to go.
You never know, but if Benning rebounds he might grab that PP specialist job. I think a new PP coach will bring a breath of fresh air.
It reminds me of when the Flames used to hand out NMCs/NTCs to everyone. At one point I think half of their roster had them.Yeah. I don't mind the Sekera NMC because he fills a huge role for the team when playing well. Russell on the other hand is a #4 at best, and while is playing around a level that meets his dollar value, definitely doesn't deserve a NMC. Especially at that price.
It reminds me of when the Flames used to hand out NMCs/NTCs to everyone. At one point I think half of their roster had them.
They're generally used as a tool to lower cap hit... So it was going to be even higher?
Wait, why do any of those guys "have" to go?
Depends on the deal and the salary coming in. I don't see how the Oilers can bring in an established RHS D and fit him in under the cap without somebody going out. Nurse will be getting paid if he stays with the Oilers. Sekera and Russell have NMCs. Can't see Larsson getting traded.
Assuming no one waives their NMC, how does a deal to bring in a RHS D PP specialist get done but for moving one of Klefa/Nurse/Benning going?
You don't. You work with what you have instead of blowing your brains out on another bad trade.
Who said anything about 'collecting'? Nobody except you.The job of a GM is to make his team win hockey games, not to collect assets.
Who said anything about 'collecting'? Nobody except you.
This is going to be a hard concept for a Peter fan to understand but think on it deeply. One can have an appropriate number of required assets. And by 'required' I mean **** like, two workable goaltenders, at least five or six NHL defensemen, some goal scoring forwards, some PKers etc etc.
Do you get it? Chiarelli has stripped this team of assets (or ignored his duty to fill holes) at almost every position and he still has guys like you in here twisting reality and contorting the truth to try to make Peter look like something other than then complete dumb **** that he is.