Fire Ken Holland

[ghostnights]

He’s a loser just like every one else hired by the oilers over the last 15 years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes because a revolving door of GMs is the answer. He failed at finding a goalie. But this is premature.

He doesn't need to be fired... yet. But if we're halfway through the next season, or hell even 25% of the way through next season and on the outside looking in, then sayonara.

 

[McDrai]

Holland is a mixed bag.
Lucic trade was pretty darn good. I thought it would be impossible to trade that slug.
The trade deadline deals he made were atrocious and left us with minimal draft picks and nothing to show for it.
The book is out in regard to drafting but I think taking Broberg over Zegras was a pretty big mistake (Zegras is killing it in the AHL so far). The Holloway pick looks good though.
As far as signings go, I was a fan of the Kahun, Barrie, and Turris signings so I can't knock him on those. Signing Mike Smith was stupid but he was probably Plan E. Re signing Kassian was pretty stupid as well.

So looking back at his body of work, I think he is a slightly below average GM. He probably won't be fired for at least another year but I don't think he's the guy to take the Oilers to that next level

 

[redgrant]

Honestly can someone give 5 alternatives as gm options? I remember the big name was Mark hunter who I think would have been a disaster.

 

[GOilers88]

how about average? is that too much to ask with 2 MVPs on the club?

Koskinen has been average for us at worst. He had his first legit bad game last night.

He had 4 days of rest and whoever the backup is had absolutely nothing to do with how that game went last night. I'm a Koski supporter and I agree last night was on him. But this thread is ridiculous, and the guy who made it has the mental fortitude of a wet paper bag.

 

[Beaumaris]

Holland is not the problem, this is embarrassing

How often have we heard this statement over the last 20 years?
Holland looks lost as a GM without The likes of Devellano,Bowman and Stevie Y surrounding him.

 

[GOilers88]

none of the UFA we picked up were really "needed" IMO...they needed to upgrade goaltending and defense (and not just a PP specialist like Barrie) and failed
3rd line center was essential too and Turris so far is a massive whiff

Seriously? All I heard about was how devoid this team was of depth scoring. Looks like he's been trying to shore up the depth scoring to me.

I just find it amazing how someone could have actually thought this team would go from bottom of the league to contender in...where are we now...82 games of Holland? Can someone point me to the GM that would have overturned 15 years of ineptitude in little more than a single covid shortened season?

How unrealistic and delusional can we be? Seriously?

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Holland inherited an absolute mess, firing him 2 years in to fixing it does nothing. The ownerships mistake was to not fire Chiarelli earlier, the dude lost like at least 5 first round picks worth of player value in 2 trades with his pure incompetence. Takes time to recover from that shit

 

[GOilers88]

Holland inherited an absolute mess, firing him 2 years in to fixing it does nothing. The ownerships mistake was to not fire Chiarelli earlier, the dude lost like at least 5 first round picks worth of player value in 2 trades with his pure incompetence. Takes time to recover from that shit

Not even two years. About 82 games in.

 

[Morpheus]

Ownership will never ‘fire’ Holland, unless some major unforeseen nefarious circumstance comes to light.

If the Oilers were to pursue a different direction prior to Holland’s contract end date, they’d likely ask him to retire / resign in order for him to keep his legacy intact.

Being on the hook for $5 mill/year I’m sure Katz @ co. will provide adequate rope for Holland to work with for the duration of his contract.

Just my two cents.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Seriously? All I heard about was how devoid this team was of depth scoring. Looks like he's been trying to shore up the depth scoring to me.

I just find it amazing how someone could have actually thought this team would go from bottom of the league to contender in...where are we now...82 games of Holland? Can someone point me to the GM that would have overturned 15 years of ineptitude in little more than a single covid shortened season?

How unrealistic and delusional can we be? Seriously?

And amazingly enough, depth scoring is still an issue.

 

[Satire]

Welcome to reality I guess cause there was no making them a contender instantly after the situation Chiarelli left the team in.

There is no short term fix for the team. There’s too many holes and no cap space.

You guys literally want to fire Holland for the mess of a former GM. There’s not a single GM right now that turns this around this season with limited tradable assets and no cap space. The long game is the only viable play. Not saying I like it or Conor or Draisaitl do but that’s the reality of the situation.

This. If Chiapet had been more patient to begin with then we would have been in a much better place already. Instead he made move after move to try make the team an instant contender and they all blew up in his face. Holland hasn't had a chance to do much of anything with this team.

Not having Klef and Smith/Forsberg is hurting us a great deal. We have a lot of 5-6 guys that are being put over their heads on D.

 

[dragonballgtz]

I said at the time of the Holland hire, for you Oiler fans, his biggest asset will be the cleaning up of operations for the Oilers.

 

[GOilers88]

And amazingly enough, depth scoring is still an issue.

Kahun, JP, Barrie. That was some good offensive depth to add. I don't know what top pairing defenseman was out there to add at sub 4 million to replace Klefbom but some folks seem to think that should have happened cause good GM's do these things. But it seems like all the people who said losing Klef wasn't going to hurt that much and that Caleb Jones was ready for top 4 duty with Barrie helping sustain a historic powerplay have now changed the tune to this is all a failure on Holland because things haven't gone so smoothly.

People can also complain about Smith all they want but if we're looking at results, last season tells us he wasn't as bad as everyone wants to say and I don't know how it can be argued otherwise.

JP, Kahun, Barrie, Haas, Archibald, Ennis, Koekkoek.

Those are some pretty okay additions on real cheap deals for a cash strapped club with limited prospect capital for a guy who has been on the job for little over one season following Chiarelli.

Nygard, Chiasson, Khaira, Turris. Yeah there's some misses too. I hesitate to put Kass there yet because I think he can play a good role for the team but I agree he got paid too much. The AA deal stings, especially with him currently having 5 points in 7 games to start this year but let's face it there was a large crowd who would have jumped off a cliff if we had re-signed him anyways so that was a lose lose to some here. But the Holland detractors really like to point to Kass/Chiasson And Khaira as some sort of proof of Holland's monumental failure as a GM with contracts that have crippled the franchise and it's absolutely laughable. Especially when you consider that most all of his signings have been to one or two year deals that sort of line up with other money coming off the books. Almost like there needed to be a couple of seasons to transition from the wasteland that was Chiarelli era. Crazy right.

 

[JSlick]

and then hire who?

 

[Shathar]

One of the biggest issues is goaltending for sure, which creates panic on D and dudes playing out of position when u are terrified to have anyone take a shot on your goalie. Holland tried to address that during the off-season. What else can the guy do? I have no doubt it will get fixed at some point and he will be the guy who does it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Seriously? All I heard about was how devoid this team was of depth scoring. Looks like he's been trying to shore up the depth scoring to me.

I just find it amazing how someone could have actually thought this team would go from bottom of the league to contender in...where are we now...82 games of Holland? Can someone point me to the GM that would have overturned 15 years of ineptitude in little more than a single covid shortened season?

How unrealistic and delusional can we be? Seriously?

who's saying anything about being a "Contender"? this team should be a playoff team with 2 MVPs on it, no questions asked
that would be average

I'm not saying he needs to be fired yet but his moves have been lateral at best and horrible at worst

 

[GOilers88]

who's saying anything about being a "Contender"? this team should be a playoff team with 2 MVPs on it, no questions asked
that would be average

I'm not saying he needs to be fired yet but his moves have been lateral at best and horrible at worst

I agree the team should be a playoff team. I think you can blame almost entirely that failure on the previous GM.

People want to see this team make a run. I've seen lots of comments on how a knockout in the first round won't cut it either, and being a fringe team isn't good enough. To me a contender is a team that people expect to make a big run. So what do we want here?

This is currently a fringe team in my opinion. Much like last year. I'm certainly expecting much more after this upcoming offseason, but until then I think people are just making unreasonable, contradictory arguments about our current GM because things haven't gone swimmingly to start this season and are unfairly tossing issues stemming from Chiarelli squarely onto Holland's shoulders with an unrealistic timeframe to fix them.

 

[McJadeddog]

This team is objectively worse than last year, and on par with the failures that Peter Chiarelli built. Holland is the one to blame for nearly every factor that has led us to this point, from the awful goaltending to the poor depth on D to our dinosaur of a coach still having a job.

It’s time for Katz to step in before McDavid demands a trade. He’s wasting his career here with each passing game.

wow, a fire he GM thread less than 2 years after taking over, after he has done a pretty good job of setting this team up for cap success starting next year, and dropping Lucic's contract. Yeah, he didn't solve all the problems this past off season with essentially zero cap space, but he is developing players properly for the first time in forever. I'll be all aboard the "fire Holland" train if the team isn't better next year. I'm not sure what people were expecting this year to be honest. We are fighting for a playoff spot after a really, really rough start for 80% of our team. We weren't going to be contenders this year, we just weren't, I know that sucks to hear, but its the truth.

 

[Dempsey]

Me: Okay, maybe I'll check HFOilers again after taking some time off.

Me after three minutes of reading: See ya

 

[Louis Cypher]

Some fans need to be fired into the sun.

If Holland can't fix this team then they should just fold it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I agree the team should be a playoff team. I think you can blame almost entirely that failure on the previous GM.

People want to see this team make a run. I've seen lots of comments on how a knockout in the first round won't cut it either, and being a fringe team isn't good enough. To me a contender is a team that people expect to make a big run. So what do we want here?

This is currently a fringe team in my opinion. Much like last year. I'm certainly expecting much more after this upcoming offseason, but until then I think people are just making unreasonable, contradictory arguments about our current GM because things haven't gone swimmingly to start this season and are unfairly tossing issues stemming from Chiarelli squarely onto Holland's shoulders with an unrealistic timeframe to fix them.

an "average playoff" team...that's all at the moment because we need to make baby steps
57% of the teams in the Canadian Division make the playoffs meaning even being slightly below average will be good enough to make it

you're blaming Chia on the fact Holland knew the goaltending and defense weren't good enough, hence why he pursued OEL and Markstrom and failed?
sorry that doesn't fly with me...he knew the problems, failed to address them...then convinced himself the defense and goaltending was "good enough"
it's a fail

 

[Beerfish]

Koskinen has been average for us at worst. He had his first legit bad game last night.

He had 4 days of rest and whoever the backup is had absolutely nothing to do with how that game went last night. I'm a Koski supporter and I agree last night was on him. But this thread is ridiculous, and the guy who made it has the mental fortitude of a wet paper bag.

He is well below average. He is a LONG ways down the goalie list in save % (a whopping 889)

7 of the 12 games he has played his save % has been below the magic .900

We get out goaltended in the vast majority if the games we play.

He lets in bad goals and he simply does not make a big save when needed.

 

[barry halls]

I called the Oilers missing the playoffs ahead of the season, but I thought it would be close. Keep it close and if one team ahead gets a key injury or stumbles down the stretch you might get a chance. But with this defense and goaltending there is zero chance of this team taking a spot from one of CGY/WPG/TO/MTL (and I’ll bet all my vcash or my ‘avatar’ space on it). Holland completely botched the goaltending situation in more ways than one and it’s going to cost this team a playoff spot, and maybe Connor McDavid.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

Wow, a "fire insert name here" thread on the HF Oilers board.

What an original concept after a loss.

whowouldathunkit?