Fire Ken Holland

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He would have been a good option for sure. Wasn’t he moved before the free agency period opened though? Honestly can’t remember. Holland was clearly gunning for Markstrom though.

I think he was, but if Holland was too fixated on Markstrom that’s a failure on his part.

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

if you have good pro-scouting you can identify good goalies like Kuemper and or of the CBJ goalies

Who says either one of those teams gm's are in any rush to trade those goalies

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

Jake Allen was available for a song.

Yes because Allen as been so steady as a goaltender throughout his career...

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes because Allen as been so steady as a goaltender throughout his career...

He’s been very good for Montreal this year and the Blues last year. Instead we are hoping Smith plays like 2012 Smith and not like 2020 Smith.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Who says either one of those teams gm's are in any rush to trade those goalies

those are examples
point is, falling back on these 2 disappointments of goaltenders was a massive failure on Holland and now we are paying for it

we have arguably the 2nd worse goaltending in the division and that won't get you into the playoffs

 

[Spawn]

Holland is not the problem, this is embarrassing

He sure as shit isn't the solution. Dude hasn't made an impact trade in like 2 decades. Longer than many peoples whole careers in hockey.

"What was he supposed to do?"

Is the same horseshit excuse people used to trot out for Craig MacTavish.

Do your f***ing job and bring in some good players.

 

[Beerfish]

Holland was a terrible hire from day one but then again what do you expect when you put nicholson in charge.

We were told he was going to come in and fix the cap, he responds by tossing out any cap space by handing out idiotic contracts like the one to kassian.

We were told, be patient he will build through the draft, He wastes draft picks left right and center on guys who did not help this team at all.

People got mad at me for calling him hollandaliini because he is tambo version 2. adding bottom pairing Dmen and bottom 6 guys each year that utterly fail.

His biggest sin bar none is his handling of the weakest part of this team since the day he got here that being goaltending. He actually made the situation much worse.

In any case he is going no where, no chance that katz would eat any money of that fat ludicrous gm contract.

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

He’s been very good for Montreal this year and the Blues last year. Instead we are hoping Smith plays like 2012 Smith and not like 2020 Smith.

Yes he's been playing well this year, Montreal has been playing good as a team as well though.

Last year he was a back up on the #1 team in the west and defending cup champs, he'd played well but in a limited role

 

[Spawn]

There is no guarantee that all of them will vanish. Holland could very well extend at least one of them.

He signed 3 of those congrats lmao.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes he's been playing well this year, Montreal has been playing good as a team as well though.

Last year he was a back up on the #1 team in the west and defending cup champs, he'd played well but in a limited role

He wouldn’t have to be the starter here but a capable backup so we don’t run our starter into the ground.

 

[Jesus Take the Wheel]

He wouldn’t have to be the starter here but a capable backup so we don’t run our starter into the ground.

It was still a risk of a move by MTL. he carries a pretty decent cap hit as well that we would have to account for somewhere

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It was still a risk of a move by MTL. he carries a pretty decent cap hit as well that we would have to account for somewhere

He only had it for one year and Montreal extended him to a very reasonable deal. There would’ve been minimal risk.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Holland was a terrible hire from day one but then again what do you expect when you put nicholson in charge.

We were told he was going to come in and fix the cap, he responds by tossing out any cap space by handing out idiotic contracts like the one to kassian.

We were told, be patient he will build through the draft, He wastes draft picks left right and center on guys who did not help this team at all.

People got mad at me for calling him hollandaliini because he is tambo version 2. adding bottom pairing Dmen and bottom 6 guys each year that utterly fail.

His biggest sin bar none is his handling of the weakest part of this team since the day he got here that being goaltending. He actually made the situation much worse.

In any case he is going no where, no chance that katz would eat any money of that fat ludicrous gm contract.

Holland built teams around Cup-winning goalies like Chris Osgood and old man Mike Vernon and outside Hasek, they never needed dominant goaltending so he's never had to find an elite 'tender in Detroit
then again, the Wings had Lidstrom and the Oilers don't

 

[Oilhawks]

He’s been very good for Montreal this year and the Blues last year. Instead we are hoping Smith plays like 2012 Smith and not like 2020 Smith.

Jake Allen also played behind the Blues d corp and now the Habs d corp (probably best D corp in the division).

He'd get lit up here.

 

[Wewillrise]

He sure as shit isn't the solution. Dude hasn't made an impact trade in like 2 decades. Longer than many peoples whole careers in hockey.

"What was he supposed to do?"

Is the same horseshit excuse people used to trot out for Craig MacTavish.

Do your f***ing job and bring in some good players.

Why would you want him to sell the farm for right now? Like Benning did you mean? How far would this team go with a couple good pieces added?

A far smarter strategy is to shed bad contracts next season and improve incrementally. Make bold moves in 22 when you have cap and hopefully a more developed D core

 

[GOilers88]

There is no guarantee that all of them will vanish. Holland could very well extend at least one of them.

Sure but as it stands right now without even doing anything cap will free up. Larsson is also up that's another 4 million. Much as I like Markstrom I'm glad he turned down Holland's offer. I don't think big money goalies are something we need to shoot for.

Anyone that actually thinks this team was going go from basement to contender in a year and a bit is absolutely f***ing delusional and beyond any reasonable discussion. It doesn't matter who the GM is.

 

[Spawn]

Why would you want him to sell the farm for right now? Like Benning did you mean? How far would this team go with a couple good pieces added?

A far smarter strategy is to shed bad contracts next season and improve incrementally. Make bold moves in 22 when you have cap and hopefully a more developed D core

Good luck improving incrementally once Connor McDavid demands a trade out of Edmoton because the first 1/2 of his career has been wasted by back to back deadweight GMs far beyond their best before dates. It's a sad thing to think about, but that is coming. Sooner than anyone here wants to admit.

 

[Soundwave]

Why would you want him to sell the farm for right now? Like Benning did you mean? How far would this team go with a couple good pieces added?

A far smarter strategy is to shed bad contracts next season and improve incrementally. Make bold moves in 22 when you have cap and hopefully a more developed D core

You will have McDavid and Draisaitl tune out by then.

Not good enough.

Trade your 2021 1st and 2022 1st even and go from there. Must get a no.1 goalie and top 3 D who can play now.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sure but as it stands right now without even doing anything cap will free up. Larsson is also up that's another 4 million. Much as I like Markstrom I'm glad he turned down Holland's offer. I don't think big money goalies are something we need to shoot for.

As Spawn helpfully pointed out, most of the contracts you mentioned were signed by Holland. Most of his depth signings have been complete ass.

 

[DropTheGloves]

Good luck improving incrementally once Connor McDavid demands a trade out of Edmoton because the first 1/2 of his career has been wasted by back to back deadweight GMs far beyond their best before dates. It's a sad thing to think about, but that is coming. Sooner than anyone here wants to admit.

Would like this if I could... unfortunately. It’s true and anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a rude surprise. I’d understand and even support McD demanding a trade first thing tomorrow. He’s given this team everything and gotten absolutely shit in return.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Zero issues with Holland. The ghosts of Chias past still Haunting us. Guy had almost zero cap to sign a top 4D, 3C, 2LW and a Goalie. He did what he could with what he had.

Turris was a low risk bet, hasn't paid off.

Barrie has been pretty good imo

He tried on Marky but he chose Calgary

Kahun is a pretty good add

Smith is a headscratcher but not many better options for less/equal cash. No doubt he has to fix this problem in the net and do it soon.

Lots of fingers to point but Holland doesn't deserve one Imo.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Why would you want him to sell the farm for right now? Like Benning did you mean? How far would this team go with a couple good pieces added?

A far smarter strategy is to shed bad contracts next season and improve incrementally. Make bold moves in 22 when you have cap and hopefully a more developed D core

Acquiring one nhl goalie in the off season is hardly selling the farm. He didn’t even do that. Inexcusable. If he can’t get it done he needs to go.

 

[Oilhawks]

Can we leave the 'McDavid will request a trade this offseason' shit to the Leafs fans and Toronto media? f*** off

 

[Oilhawks]

Zero issues with Holland. The ghosts of Chias past still Haunting us. Guy had almost zero cap to sign a top 4D, 3C, 2LW and a Goalie. He did what he could with what he had.

Turris was a low risk bet, hasn't paid off.

Barrie has been pretty good imo

He tried on Marky but he chose Calgary

Kahun is a pretty good add

Smith is a headscratcher but not many better options for less/equal cash. No doubt he has to fix this problem in the net and do it soon.

Lots of fingers to point but Holland doesn't deserve one Imo.

I was hoping for Greiss or Crawford but they both signed for a hell of a lot more than I thought they would (and one retired).

 

[DropTheGloves]

Acquiring one nhl goalie in the off season is hardly selling the farm. He didn’t even do that. Inexcusable. If he can’t get it done he needs to go.

That’s pretty much what it comes down to. Goal is the single most important position on any team. Holland’s failure there will be his legacy here if he is fired tomorrow (which won’t happen but should).