Fire Hakstol

[Stizzle]

Tread lightly my friend.

That looked just like a Mandog fight.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That looked just like a Mandog fight.

Why do you think Dave loved him so much? Hakstol was Manning in the IHL back in the day.

 

[Stizzle]

Why do you think Dave loved him so much? Hakstol was Manning in the IHL back in the day.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I worship the ground that Andy Bezeau walks on. If I could buy one of his punched-out teeth on ebay, I would build a shrine around it and light incense at that shrine every day.

All Hail King Beezers!

 

[RANKKA]

FIRE THIS MORON RIGHT FKN NOW

 

[deadhead]

Can we all chill with the coming in 3rd in division? We were the last Metro team to secure a playoff spot, the Debbies and Lumbus obviously tanked the last game or they could've finished higher in the standings than the Flyers. We can hang our hat on being better than the afterthoughts of the Atlantic, as Florida was too little too late. But we are not the 3rd best team in the Metro unequivocally. By reasoning, the 3rd best team would be the 3rd team to clinch a playoff spot, we were the 5th.

If Trotz would take a meeting, I'd bring him on board.

We had 98 points, most years that's way more than you need to make the playoffs.
We did it with a pretty bad team overall, four forwards (Couts line plus Voracek), two defensemen (Provorov and Ghost) and zero goaltenders.
Patrick, Lindblom, Sanheim, should be much better this year but they didn't do much last season (17-29 46 between the three).
Simmonds was a meh 3RW, Raffl and Laughton were 4th line guys, after that throw 'em into a hat.
Gudas, MacDonald, Manning, Hagg, bunch of 3rd pair guys but 2 had to play on the 2nd pair. Hopefully Gudas will bounce back.

Getting this team to 98 points was an accomplishment.
This year's team should be much better (and can the goalies be worse? Especially if Neuvirth's new trainer can walk on water).

 

[Adam Warlock]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

 

[Amorgus]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

It will make Brett Hextall cry?

 

[Ruck Over]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

Reason #:
1. Hextall's pride and general, "I'm smarter than you, TAPE!" attitude.
2. Brett Hextall
3. ???

 

[Ruck Over]

We had 98 points, most years that's way more than you need to make the playoffs.
We did it with a pretty bad team overall, four forwards (Couts line plus Voracek), two defensemen (Provorov and Ghost) and zero goaltenders.
Patrick, Lindblom, Sanheim, should be much better this year but they didn't do much last season (17-29 46 between the three).
Simmonds was a meh 3RW, Raffl and Laughton were 4th line guys, after that throw 'em into a hat.
Gudas, MacDonald, Manning, Hagg, bunch of 3rd pair guys but 2 had to play on the 2nd pair. Hopefully Gudas will bounce back.

Getting this team to 98 points was an accomplishment.
This year's team should be much better (and can the goalies be worse? Especially if Neuvirth's new trainer can walk on water).

Excuses excuses. Most years is an over simplification and not always applicable, explicitly describing that this past season 98 points was not of a magnitude of "way more" than necessary to secure a playoff spot. The loser point has changed math equations and keeps lower performing teams in the race longer, an optical illusion concerning the closeness of races.

 

[deadhead]

The "loser point" has been around for a long time, and most years 92-94 points gets you into the playoffs.

League average is 92 points.

As far as Trotz, when he started out in Nashville, he lost in the 1st rd 4 straight times and 5 out of 6.
Then he lost twice in the second round, missed the playoffs two straight years and got fired.

The grass is always greener . . .

 

[Tripod]

Off topic: @boxcar65 has been missing in action from what I have seen. Is he packing his bags to follow Manning?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Ok with Trotz available there really is no reason not to boot Hakstok and go get him. Idk what Trotz's plans are but they really should involve coaching in Philadelphia. I was in favor of canning Hakstok and was hot and cold on keeping/firing him all year, but now really come on let's do this.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Off topic: @boxcar65 has been missing in action from what I have seen. Is he packing his bags to follow Manning?

Busy learning Russian.

 

[dingbathero]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

Hextall wants a proven winner behind the bench.... So, Hak it is!


“Dave Hakstol is our coach and he will remain our coach. Period."

"Somehow, I think people think there’s no urgency here and we’re OK with where we’re at,” Hextall added. “We’re not OK with where we’re at. We’ve lost 10 games in a row and we’re not happy as an organization. There is not one player who’s happy. There is not one coach that is happy, and certainly no one in management is happy."

 

[NYCFlyer]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

Lamorello probably already has an agreement with him

 

[Ruck Over]

The "loser point" has been around for a long time, and most years 92-94 points gets you into the playoffs.

League average is 92 points.

As far as Trotz, when he started out in Nashville, he lost in the 1st rd 4 straight times and 5 out of 6.
Then he lost twice in the second round, missed the playoffs two straight years and got fired.

The grass is always greener . . .

What was the league average for points needed to make the playoffs last season? Higher than 92-94? Saying what something is on average is an excuse to ignore what it actually is currently. Hyperbole alert- On average one can drink 6 American adjunct lager beers and drive home safely. Welp, this was an outlier, they drank 6 RIS beers, and they've crashed and burned in an automobile conflagration.

Nashville, for all of it's romantic glory, has not historically been a complete team up until very recently. And being a somewhat internal budget team playing against a historically tougher Central division (Chi, Det, StL), they've done well for themselves. Growing internally, hitting a ceiling with a coach that couldn't get over the hump, then improving after dumping said coach to get a former Stanley Cup Winner to reach even further success than previously obtained. ... ... f*** YEAH USE NASHVILLE AS AN EXAMPLE! Hakstok = early Trotz, Lavy = later Trotz! The Flyers (if lucky enough to hire Trotz) will (likely) get a bump just as SMASHVILLE has!
How was Trotz last stop though? Can we use that as a more current basis to evaluate his ability to coach?

Loser point has been around since 2005-06. That's been a moment, not a long time. When Bernie Parent is sharp minded enough to call BS on Brodeur breaking his wins in a season record because Parent played before OT wins were a thing (and shoot out wins for that matter), saying the past 12 seasons had the shoot out doesn't qualify as a "long time". Regardless of how long it's been implemented, the standard of teams so far from a playoff position before X-mas, typically don't make the playoffs remaining true, the number of points becomes moot. As said, optical illusion.

 

[Ruck Over]

Lamorello probably already has an agreement with him

If that is true, Hextall is asleep at the wheel.

 

[NicolasAubeKubel]

Anyone have any good reason why Hak isnt going to be fired for Trotz?

Because Hextall said “Hak is our coach for now and future” and he has to keep his word or something like that

 

[NYCFlyer]

If that is true, Hextall is asleep at the wheel.

I'd rather hire Alain Vigneault. Curious why Trotz was essentially fired.

 

[deadhead]

Playoff Points:
2006-07: East 92; West 96
2007-08: East, 3 teams with 94; West 91
2008-09: East 93; West 91
2009-10: East, 2 teams with 88; West 95 (7 teams with 100+)
2010-11: East 93; West 97
2011-12: East, 2 teams with 92; West 95
2013-14: East, 2 teams with 93; West 91
2014-15: East 98; West 97
2015-16: East 93; West 87
2016-17: East 95; West 2 teams with 94
2017-18: East 97; West 95

Top Four slots
2006-07: East 105; West 107
2007-08: East 97; West 97
2008-09: East 99; West 100
2009-10: East 100; West 103
2010-11: East 103; West 99
2011-12: East 102; West 102
2013-14: East 100; West 111
2014-15: East 101; West 102
2015-16: East 101; West 103
2016-17: East 103; West 103
2017-18: East 105; West 101

Out of 22:
5 over 95
4 95
13 less than 95
So 95 points should get you into the playoffs most years

9 over 102
2 102
11 under 102
So 102 points should get you home ice and an easier matchup

That's my target next year, at least 102 points.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Off topic: @boxcar65 has been missing in action from what I have seen. Is he packing his bags to follow Manning?

Working the Beet fields and avoiding calls form R Hextall on his call display after the Trotz news.

 

[Ruck Over]

I'd rather hire Alain Vigneault. Curious why Trotz was essentially fired.

Washington wanted to promote from within. Last year they blocked their AC from interviewing with interested teams, akin to the Leafs blocking Dubas from interviews, the next year he got hired to the logical promotion too.

 

[GKJ]

People can't honestly expect Hakstol to get fired in late June.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Ok with Trotz available there really is no reason not to boot Hakstok and go get him. Idk what Trotz's plans are but they really should involve
coaching in Philadelphia. I was in favor of canning Hakstok and was hot and cold on keeping/firing him all year, but now really come on let's do this.

Trotz's availability isn't a reason to fire Hakstok. Hakstok's incompetence is the reason to fire Hakstok. We don't need any outside reasons, and despite this Cup victory, Barry ****ing Trotz didn't just turn into Al Arbour or Scotty Bowman. He may steal your Lucky Charms, though, especially with all this free time on his hands, so look out.