Proposal: Fire Geoff Ward and Brad Treliving Now
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Ownership wants a playoff team yearly, even if it's only fringe. Just enough to keep interest, sales and that sort of thing. That's how its felt to me for 15 years.
Even if we fire all our management and start a rebuild, if we even have one slightly above expectations season like 2015 again, I bet ownership would immediately tell management they expect that the next season too.
Even if we fire all our management and start a rebuild, if we even have one slightly above expectations season like 2015 again, I bet ownership would immediately tell management they expect that the next season too.
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Outside of Peters when was the last time we let a coach go during the season?
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Everyone, please relax. This team is 2 points out of a play off spot. Given that evert game is divisional, they could be in first by the end of next week. Lets focus on the positives here, Markstrom looks amazing, Mangiapane is playing great, Dube is taking steps, Lindholm is becoming a #1 center, etc etc. If Johnny, Mony, Chucky and Gio find there game here things can really start taking off. I trust those four to be able to dig deep. I predict they win 8 out of their next 10. Go flames.
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8 out of the next 10 as wins? Please pass what your smoking. We are 2 points back of Montreal having played 2 more games, scored 12 less goals, allowed 4 more, and they have already made a coaching change because they don't like where they are.
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Greg Gilbert, because Darryl Sutter was available after being fired from the Sharks.
I was going to say that wasn't very long ago, but it was the 2002/03 season...
They're also 3 losses away from dead last in the division, so there's that.
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Realistically, what pressure is there on this roster to preform? I was just thinking about it, with Treliving they don't make any mid-season moves to bring guys in. As part of that, guys are never on the way out. Is it a coincidence that the Flames best season came after a big trade?
Just looking at it, the Flames always seem to preform best when they get a new coach. Part of getting a new coach is that there is heat on the players to preform lest they get moved. Or even when Gulutzan blew up, it had the sense of "something needs to change" where it might not just have been Gulutzan. But time and time again no player has really been on the out in a way that was impactful to the team. Not saying you make trades to shake up a locker room, but that's weird, isn't it? The team picks it up whenever it seems that there's motivation of something being done to shake up the team, but it always comes to the coach first and the same results happen. Like, as I mentioned earlier the 2018-19 season was preceded by a big locker room guy like Ferland being traded out (also Dougie but apparently they didn't like him) and the team is mediocre to start, but they get stomped and something flips in them and they get hot. They play a fast pace, they retrieve pucks, it felt like there were never quitting. From an outside pov looking in, it seems like they were pushing back against the potential consequences of another failed season. And it makes sense looking at all the years before where the Flames only real consequences for quitting was the coach being fired, and a FA being brought in as a vote of conifdence in the team. Every other player that's been on the out from the Flames? Kulak was gone as a favour to him, Brouwer/Stone/Neal were bought out/traded for being bad, Frolik's agent trash talked management, Hamonic, Hathaway, and Brodie just walked in FA. At no point are there every consequnces for the actual on-ice product from guys the core care about.
This isn't to take any blame from anyone involved like Ward, who should at least be able to put together a bottom 6 that isn't abhorrent and preforming well below expectations, but at what point do you look at the group and wonder if they realize that there are no consequences for their actions beyond getting a new coach and another shot at kicking the bucket?
Just looking at it, the Flames always seem to preform best when they get a new coach. Part of getting a new coach is that there is heat on the players to preform lest they get moved. Or even when Gulutzan blew up, it had the sense of "something needs to change" where it might not just have been Gulutzan. But time and time again no player has really been on the out in a way that was impactful to the team. Not saying you make trades to shake up a locker room, but that's weird, isn't it? The team picks it up whenever it seems that there's motivation of something being done to shake up the team, but it always comes to the coach first and the same results happen. Like, as I mentioned earlier the 2018-19 season was preceded by a big locker room guy like Ferland being traded out (also Dougie but apparently they didn't like him) and the team is mediocre to start, but they get stomped and something flips in them and they get hot. They play a fast pace, they retrieve pucks, it felt like there were never quitting. From an outside pov looking in, it seems like they were pushing back against the potential consequences of another failed season. And it makes sense looking at all the years before where the Flames only real consequences for quitting was the coach being fired, and a FA being brought in as a vote of conifdence in the team. Every other player that's been on the out from the Flames? Kulak was gone as a favour to him, Brouwer/Stone/Neal were bought out/traded for being bad, Frolik's agent trash talked management, Hamonic, Hathaway, and Brodie just walked in FA. At no point are there every consequnces for the actual on-ice product from guys the core care about.
This isn't to take any blame from anyone involved like Ward, who should at least be able to put together a bottom 6 that isn't abhorrent and preforming well below expectations, but at what point do you look at the group and wonder if they realize that there are no consequences for their actions beyond getting a new coach and another shot at kicking the bucket?
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I wonder is he even on thin ice though? Like, Treliving essentially tied himself to this absolute boat anchor. Is he gonna go to ownership and ask them for money for another coach? I dunno. I’ve gotten the sense recently his ego has.... inflated some.
I get the sense that he’s only on thin ice with the fans. Even if he is in the hot seat with Treliving, Treliving has to realize this was his last coach so it would take something drastic for him to be canned. Because of that I feel like Brad will pin this on players before he pins it on Ward - right or wrong.
InfinityIggy
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I definitely agree with your assessment of how this is gonna go.
I see three paths:
1. We ride Ward out into the off season and, if things are going as they have, both Ward and Treliving are gone at that point.
2. Treliving gets truly desperate and fires Ward for 1 last kick at the coaching can, probably putting himself on very thin ice.
3. The players and the coach somehow figure it out. I don't think this one is gonna happen though.
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Man I kinda have a soft spot for Ward, not that I think we should keep him at all, but I feel a lot of the vitriol thrown his way...is a bit much. The guy didn't ask for the job, he was supposed to be given the reigns till we found a real coach and for some f***ing reason Treliving thought he was worth a gamble. I feel like he's doing the best he can but he's just in over his head. I really wouldn't mind him as an assistant coach full time, I think he was willing to step back down even when asked about it last year.
It's not like Gulutzan, I really hated Gully. Dude was way out of his depth, but something about him annoyed me a lot more.
It's not like Gulutzan, I really hated Gully. Dude was way out of his depth, but something about him annoyed me a lot more.
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