[FINALS] Super Team Tournament Voting

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[FINALS] Who would win in a best of 7?

Poll closed May 14, 2020.
  1. Toronto Maple Leafs

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    50.0%
  2. Vegas Golden Knights

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  1. Makaveli Registered User

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    This thread will be used to vote and debate on the finals for the Super Team Tournament. Have at it!

    FINALS

    Toronto Maple Leafs - @hockeynorth
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    Vegas Golden Knights - @AveryStar4Eva



    :leafs

    Svechnikov - Malkin - Rust
    Gaudreau - Karlsson - Bjorkstrand
    Parise - Hischier - Hornqvist
    Mangiapane - Henrique - D. Brown

    Josi - McAvoy
    Theodore - Fox
    Dunn - E. Johnson

    Hellebuyck
    Crawford



    VS



    [​IMG]

    Ehlers - Scheifele - R. Smith
    Kreider - O'Rielly - Pavelski
    Bertuzzi - Duchene - Josh Bailey
    Beauvillier - Coyle - C. Smith

    Hedman - S. Weber
    Schmidt - Niskanen
    Skjei - Manson


    Vasilevskiy
    Khudobin

     
  2. hockeynorth Registered User

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    :leafsvs:vegas
    In this matchup we see Toronto, having vanquished multiple extremely difficult opponents against Vegas.

    Ottawa: GONE
    Colorado: GONE
    Los Angeles: GONE

    Why Toronto has the edge:
    - Better elite talent up front
    - Better depth at forward and d
    - Elite defence
    - Better goaltending

    L1 vs L1: This time Toronto has a clear edge with their first line, running playoff beast Malkin with his dynamic Russian accomplice Andrei Svechnikov, and ppg winger Brian Rust, all three players are better than Vegas' respective 3 in the same positions. Torontos top line would likely dominate Vegas' in this matchup

    L2 vs L2: In large part we're looking at two different builds for the second lines, while Vegas' may play a heavier style, I illustrated in the last matchup the dominating season Bjorkstrand had, turning into an elite trigger man, accompanied with puck wizard Gaudreau there's more offensive flair on Torontos second line, with a great 2way centre in his own right in Karlsson. In large part you have to ask just how much of the load O'Rielly can carry here.

    L3 vs L3: Torontos third line can play great two way hockey while having some high IQ players, and great scoring depth with 1st line scorer Parise playing on it. You know you can expect Torontos third line to play a heavy, smart, scoring style.

    L4 vs L4: While I really like Charlie Coyle, Adam Henrique is able to play that little bit higher in the lineup, and while the contract isn't pleasant Dustin Brown still plays high level hockey, producing at a great rate. Accompanied with Mangiapane's elite speed Torontos 4th line is just able to play against better competition, and succeed.

    D1 vs D1: Oh the elite blueline matchup. I know well what's coming, "Shea Weber is a beast" yeah well first off, McAvoy had near identical ppg, while having more hits and blocks, less giveaways and more take aways all in only 2 more games. Shea Weber is ageing people. Pair this with Josis 10 more points than Hedman in 2 more games (all at even strength), Hedman had near identical advanced stats on a worse team than Hedman too and we all know he played Norris level hockey this season, Josi has blossomed, it's time to take note.

    D2 vs D2: Two highest scoring D here? In Toronto. And Shea Theodore played at a Norris level this season, neither of Vegas' guys did that. "Offensive defence man" Adam Fox leads this whole matchup in blocks and takeaways. PTS/60, Fox then Theodore, anyone saying Schmidt was more important to Vegas, he got shelled relative to the rest of Vegas while Theodore dominated Corsi and Fenwick, and Fox was unbelievable relative to the rest of New York. Torontos top pair played dominant hockey in 2019-2020 while Vegas' was simply mediocre in comparison.

    D3 vs D3: Just to be clear, Josh Manson hasn't been great in a while and only had 9 points this year. Manson and Skjei both had abysmal Corsi and Fenwick this year too. Dunn is the best defenceman here, after that if you want to ignore fancies maybe you could say Skjei but after that Johnson is far ahead, but with fancies both Torontos D blows Vegas' out of the water.

    G: Two amazing goalies and I wouldn't fault you for either, but simply put Hellebuyck played Vezina/MVP hockey this year on a worse team than Vasi did, and has shown he can win on his own, or carry a team so for that you should pick Toronto.

    Overall: Vegas has had an easier path, Toronto has knocked off two arguably top 3 teams, and shown to be deeper, have the better elite talent, have an MVP goalie and some of the most productive players at all positions this year and for these reasons you can see Toronto is the better team in this matchup.

    Vote Toronto to take the championship!!!!! We all know they're the top team by now.

    :leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs:leafs
     
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    Toronto has a better top line but Vegas has a better bottom 9 in my opinion, Vegas has the better top pair but Toronto has the better bottom 4. Goalies are a wash. Very close match-up in my eyes. Still deciding but I think I'm leaning towards Vegas here. Toronto's top line is good but if anyone can shut them down it is Hedman-Weber.
     
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    - Better top line
    - Better 2nd pairing
    - Better backup goalie

    :vegas

    - Better 3rd line (barely)
    - Better 4th line
    - Better top pairing
    - Better bottom pairing
    - Better starting goalie


    I prefer Toronto's top end talent on offence, but Vegas's depth makes their offensive groups pretty even. Their superior star power on defence and slightly better goaltending will make me vote for Vegas, but this is extremely close.
     
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    I have to go Toronto here. Far and away better top end talent. I’m not sure Schmidt and Niskanen could stand up to the relentlessness offense that is Toronto’s 2 and 3 lines.
     
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    Toronto's top pair did better this season then there's, and Hellebuyck was the better goalie this year too... and again Crawford had the same sv% as Vasi on a worse team
     
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    I can paint the pictures with numbers if you guys want like I did about Bjorkstrand, lots of my players are really under appreciated but had amazing years. Going to be honest I could see myself losing to LA or Colorado easier than this matchup.
     
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    LW: Toronto
    C: Vegas
    RW: even
    LD: Toronto, feel the D depth is the biggest gap
    RD: Toronto
    G: feel like it's Toronto but I can see why people say even so even
     
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    I don't base my opinions of players solely off this year.

    That said, I went with Toronto by a tad here.
     
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    That's fair but even past this year I'd take Toronto, some of his players are just really declining.

    I'm going to release my top 5:
    1. Toronto
    2. LA
    3. Colorado
    4. Columbus
    5. Vegas
     
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    In my honest opinion I felt like I had the best team, but I guess everyone feels like that haha.
     
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    I had a tossup between you and I and changed it several times, it was my first tier, Colorado/Columbus my 2nd tier and then another tier after that that had Vegas/Dallas/Montreal
     
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    I’m not going to get into a long drawn out breakdown just a few smaller points.

    - Vegas has a much stronger two way team. While Toronto has some good two way players that second line would get hemmed in the defencive zone.

    - Vegas is far more physical. Remember that this is a seven game series and both teams have already played three series. I see this going to way of the bruins vs canucks.

    - Vegas has proven players. Many of the players on Toronto had strong years; Bjorkstrand, Rust, Svechnikov, Fox, Theodore. Is this the norm for them? Or did they strictly have a strong 70 games and will fall back to reality come playoff.
     
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    I think Vegas has Toronto beat here. Both have strong goaltending that can win the Vezina on any given year. Both have strong defense, but Vegas has better offense in my eyes.
     
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    I bolded some other points. Quite frankly if it's about D or physicality I should've lost to Colorado
     
  16. hockeynorth Registered User

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    And that's your opinion and totally respectable! Thanks for providing your input on the matchup, it's much more fun that way. To be honest this is one of the first matchups where I prefer my offence's elite guys
     
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    Vegas wins in 6
     
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    It was 5-5 in my match-up too, ended up losing 11-4 somehow :laugh:
     
  19. hockeynorth Registered User

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    Yeah not going to lie that shocked me. I'm kind of surprised so many people have Vegas as better
     
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    Most people come to the senses sooner or later :sarcasm:
     
  21. hockeynorth Registered User

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    Ah man someone switched to vegas, Toronto might be in some trouble. This is surprising me
     
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    Ouuu close again, whoever switched to Vegas should switch back, here comes the leafs!
     
  23. AveryStar4Eva Registered User

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    I think someone keeps going back and fourth to screw with us :laugh:
     
  24. hockeynorth Registered User

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    Hahaha I haven't seen anyone flip in a while, if one flips off you it's 7-7 and a draw. Regardless of what happens this was super fun

    I'm putting this out there now... if Joeys category draft can't get off the ground, or after it's done I'm going to run a rebuilder draft, probably 16 GMs. It'll be drafting for the best team in either 3 or five years from now or a window (haven't decided yet)
     
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    Get those votes in for Toronto!
     

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