Final 2020-21 Prospect Rankings.

[MBH]

Top Detroit Red Wings Prospects, end of season, 2020-21.
Calder qualification

List your top 15 prospects in order.
#1 prospect is worth 15 points
#2 prospect is worth 14 points.
Etc.

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[MBH]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson
6. Soderblom
7, Niederbach
8. McIsaac
9. Viro
10. Sebrango
11. Tuomisto
12. Wallinder
13. Grewe
14. Tyutyayev
15. Mastrosimone

That whole 9-13 defense core could blow up into something better or fade into nothing, quite easily.

 

[lilidk]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Zadina
5. Berggren
6. Johansson
7. Soderblom
8, Niederbach
9. McIsaac
10. Viro
11. Sebrango
12. Tuomisto
13. Wallinder
14. Grewe
15. Tyutyayev

That whole 9-13 defense core could blow up into something better or fade into nothing, quite easily.
Just couldn't bring myself to add Mastrosimone, though maybe he's better than Tyutyayev, honestly.
Barton probably deserves a spot in here too, but only 15 slots, so.

I don't think Zadina belongs to to them, he is already full time, sometimes first line player

 

[MBH]

I don't think Zadina belongs to to them, he is already full time, sometimes first line player

Met the qualifications.

 

[Shaman464]

Met the qualifications.

Its a shitty qualification. I think you set the bar at 100 games just to be able to rank him lower than any person who doesn't hate him would.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Its a shitty qualification. I think you set the bar at 100 games just to be able to rank him lower than any person who doesn't hate him would.

It's because MBH needed another excuse to shit on Zadina.

 

[deca guard]

have not followed their seasons but going in wallinder and tuomisty were big bodied dman project types taken early in draft .
guys whose numbers arent going to impress right now and that we wont be able to get a gauge on until they get to ahl .
but considering where they were drafted by yzermans staff i still see them as real important prospects ...

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the purpose of assigning a point value to each?

A future made it/didn't make it numerical value to compare with others ratings perhaps? Something else?

 

[SirloinUB]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson
6. McIsaac
7. Soderblom
8, Viro
9. Niederbach
10. Toumisto
11. Wallinder
12. Sebrango
13. Petruzzeli
14. Grewe
15. Bradley


McIsaac is better than he gets credit for at this point.

I Was tempted to put Viro a over Soderblom but gave Soderblom the edge because he offers an impressive package. Viro probably has the higher floor of the two though.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson
6. McIsaac
7. Soderblom
8, Viro
9. Niederbach
10. Toumisto
11. Wallinder
12. Sebrango
13. Petruzzeli
14. Grewe
15. Bradley

Nice list.
I think this is how I'd rate our kids.

1. Seider

2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson

6. Viro (I'm bullish on this kid because he is such a tremendous skater)
7. Soderblom
8, Sebrango
9. McIsaac (Only because of the injury pile ups)
10. Niederbach

11. Tuomisto
12. Pearson
13. Petruzzelli
14. Mastrosimone
15. Grewe

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the purpose of assigning a point value to each?

A future made it/didn't make it numerical value to compare with others ratings perhaps? Something else?

So in five years when 80% of this list is out of the league or puttering around on a 3rd pairing/3rd line somewhere, people can say "Oh yeah, I didn't think much of that guy then, either!" Or if they come up and don't blow the doors off of the league, it can be used against them as "proof" that they're busts because of the coaching. Like I thought Seider was going to be a can't miss guy! Look at my #1 grade for him. He's clearly being used wrong because my opinion can't be wrong!

If it was just to have a "snapshot in time of how we thought of these players", I wouldn't be so dismissive. But I did see the long-running Zadina topic about how he's so bad this year because look, we all said he was going to get 15-20 goals and he only got 6, clearly he is a bust.

 

[MBH]

Its a shitty qualification. I think you set the bar at 100 games just to be able to rank him lower than any person who doesn't hate him would.

Right.
You think people are as obsessed with Zadina as you are.

 

[MBH]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the purpose of assigning a point value to each?

A future made it/didn't make it numerical value to compare with others ratings perhaps? Something else?

For getting a community viewpoint snapshot in time, it's quicker and I think more accurate than 6 weeks of polling, because it's essentially ranked voting.

You might have, say, Johansson at #1.
But in the head-to-head polls for #1, #2, #3 etc, your opinion is basically invalidated for 5-6 polls until your vote actually means something.

With this system, your viewpoint of Johansson is worth 15 points. Your high valuation actually impacts our final results to some degree.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Nice list.
I think this is how I'd rate our kids.

1. Seider

2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson

6. Viro (I'm bullish on this kid because he is such a tremendous skater)
7. Soderblom
8, Sebrango
9. McIsaac (Only because of the injury pile ups)
10. Niederbach

11. Tuomisto
12. Pearson
13. Petruzzelli
14. Mastrosimone
15. Grewe

I suppose to put a list together, I'm good by this. My "knowledge" of these players kind of stops at Berggren and that's just because I've seen some of the highlights of his goals and they are badass.
I do have some pretty big doubts just based on sheer law of averages on the guys from Johansson on down too. Wings have had guys with far better pedigrees than these guys flame out pretty quickly. I don't know anywhere near enough to argue this list, although I would drop McIsaac further just because a pileup of injuries tends to completely shortcircuit young careers unless a player is truly special.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Would Calder trophy qualifications be a more accurate judge of this?

No more than 25 games in a preceding season or 6 or more games in each of the two preceding seasons? Because as it stands, 100 games is a really weird metric to cut off 'prospect' at.

 

[lilidk]

Nice list.
I think this is how I'd rate our kids.

1. Seider

2. Raymond
3. Veleno
4. Berggren
5. Johansson

6. Viro (I'm bullish on this kid because he is such a tremendous skater)
7. Soderblom
8, Sebrango
9. McIsaac (Only because of the injury pile ups)
10. Niederbach

11. Tuomisto
12. Pearson
13. Petruzzelli
14. Mastrosimone
15. Grewe

The only change I do it separate Raymond from second group.
I also believe Niederbach has potential become first line center

 

[MBH]

Would Calder trophy qualifications be a more accurate judge of this?

No more than 25 games in a preceding season or 6 or more games in each of the two preceding seasons? Because as it stands, 100 games is a really weird metric to cut off 'prospect' at.

Probably.
I just didn't feel like googling calder criteria.

On the other hand, I think 100 games is still pretty dang inexperienced.
I mean, don't we still consider Zadina a prospect?
We all have high hopes he's got a lot of room to improve, right?
He's a lot less proven than Hronek, for example

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Berggren
4. Veleno
5. Johansson
6. Niederbach
7. Wallinder
8. Tuomisto
9. Soderbolm
10. Pearson
11. Viro
12. G. Smith
13. Mastrosimone
14. Sebrango
15. Bradley

 

[HisNoodliness]

1. Seider
2. Raymond
3. Berggren
4. Veleno
5. Johansson
6. Wallinder
7. Niederbach
8. Tuomisto
9. McIsaac
10. Viro
11. Soderblom
12. Grewe
13. Tyutyayev
14. Sebrango
15. Petruzzeli

 

[HisNoodliness]

Probably.
I just didn't feel like googling calder criteria.

On the other hand, I think 100 games is still pretty dang inexperienced.
I mean, don't we still consider Zadina a prospect?
We all have high hopes he's got a lot of room to improve, right?
He's a lot less proven than Hronek, for example

Players can have room to improve without being prospects. Zadina isn't a prospect as he's established himself in the NHL. Besides injury/covid, he played every game this year and had a lot of games last year too. Despite the games and age, I'd sooner call Rasmussen a prospect than Zadina as his spot in the lineup is much less assured and has had his name penciled in there for a lot less time.

As such I didn't rate Zadina. He's an NHLer. This is a prospect ranking.

 

[SirloinUB]

I mean, don't we still consider Zadina a prospect?

Nope.

 

[MBH]

Players can have room to improve without being prospects. Zadina isn't a prospect as he's established himself in the NHL. Besides injury/covid, he played every game this year and had a lot of games last year too. Despite the games and age, I'd sooner call Rasmussen a prospect than Zadina as his spot in the lineup is much less assured and has had his name penciled in there for a lot less time.

As such I didn't rate Zadina. He's an NHLer. This is a prospect ranking.

Yeah, I'm not so sure of any of that.
Either way, if the board wants to go that way, I'm fine with it

 

[MBH]

Nope.

Yeah. He's a guy who scores six goals in the top six and on top powerplay unit.

Only way you put up with that is if you see him as a prospect.

 

[SirloinUB]

Yeah. He's a guy who scores six goals in the top six and on top powerplay unit.

Only way you put up with that is if you see him as a prospect.

He is a developing young red wing. Prospects are elsewhere in the system, not playing for detroit.

He literally spent the entire season with the red wings. He has graduated as a prospect.

 

[jaster]

Other than some Covid-related games in the Czech Republic, Zadina hasn't played outside the NHL in a year and a half, has he?

He's not a prospect anymore, regardless of how many goals he's scored.

Shit, I had him as a prospect before this season and people jumped on me, and he was subsequently ruled 'not a prospect' in the polling.