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Penguins: Jason Zucker, Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Joel Blomquist, 2022 1st Round Pick.
Hard no.
Penguins: Jason Zucker, Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Joel Blomquist, 2022 1st Round Pick.
Hard no.
Thank you for your consideration. Any other alternates from our side?
Guentzel for Forsberg would be robbing Peter to pay Paul but the Penguins are so desperately in need of a right-handed shot on the powerplay that it may be worth the slight downgrade at even strength. NSH probably would have to add though given Guentzel's sweetheart contract.
Elliott Friedman reported on his 31 thoughts that multiple sources have told him that Toronto and Nashville are in discussions and that the Leafs have made an offer for Forsberg.
I'm going to assume it's a bigger deal then just for Forsberg.
Elliott Friedman reported on his 31 thoughts that multiple sources have told him that Toronto and Nashville are in discussions and that the Leafs have made an offer for Forsberg.
I'm going to assume it's a bigger deal then just for Forsberg.
Elliott Friedman reported on his 31 thoughts that multiple sources have told him that Toronto and Nashville are in discussions and that the Leafs have made an offer for Forsberg.
I'm going to assume it's a bigger deal then just for Forsberg.
2021 1st
Mikhail Abramov (C)
Filip Hallander (C)
Alexander Kerfoot
B-/C+ Level Prospect (Kral, Kokkonen, Abruzzese)
for
Forsberg (10/15% Retained)
2021 1st
Mikhail Abramov (C)
Filip Hallander (C)
Alexander Kerfoot
B-/C+ Level Prospect (Kral, Kokkonen, Abruzzese)
for
Forsberg (10/15% Retained)
Abramov - 19 Years Old
In the '19/'20 Season Abramov posted 76 Points (35 Goals/41 Assists) in 63 Games with the Victoriaville Tigres of the QMJHL. A decent showing for the teams number one center, but not the most impressive statlines from a then 18 year old center in the Q.
What DOES make that statline incredibly impressive is that the next highest player on his team scored 41 Points in 1 Less Game. Thats 35 fewer points than Abramov. And did I mention that this player was also a DEFENCEMAN.
Now the unusually high number of goals makes a bit more sense, Abramov was pulling a Jack Eichel and just being a one man band out on the ice.
In the '20/'21 Season that was cancelled/postponed he was off to a good start again with 16 Points (5 Goals/11 Assists) in 13 games.
Hallander - 20 Years Old
Brought in through the Kapanen Trade, Hallander is a 20 Year old Center than is currently in his 3rd year in the SHL. Yes you heard that right, 3rd Year in the SHL at the age of 20!
What is even more impressive is that he has stayed very consistent with his points through all 3 of those years. In '18/'19 as a rookie he scored 21 Points (7 Goals/14 Assists) in 45 games, with 8 Points in 7(!) Games in the playoffs that year.
In '19/'20 his number of games was reduced to only 27 Games (I think injury related but im not too sure), but even then he was still able to get 14 Points (5 Goals/9 Assists).
So far in '20/'21 he has 20 Points (10 Goals/10 Assists) in 42 Games. Leafs scouts and fans alike have him growing into a great 2 way 2C in the near future. He lacks the pizzaz to really become a 1C, but his all around game means that he may become the perfect 2C.
What do you guys think? I really tried to make a deal that I think helps both teams, while considering eachothers needs. I know the preds dont need any defensive prospects anymore because they literally cant find room for the ones that are there now, but they do desperately need some center prospects behind Tomasino.
I'm trying to kill the leafs bias here of Bracco and a 2nd being our offer for every star player, so I hope I made this one fair.
Pittsburgh just doesn't have the pieces to get him IMO. If we're trading Forsberg we're getting younger and we're certainly not adding anything to him.
Poulin and Legare interest me but...eh. What would Pittsburgh give up for Arvidsson?
2021 1st
Mikhail Abramov (C)
Filip Hallander (C)
Alexander Kerfoot
B-/C+ Level Prospect (Kral, Kokkonen, Abruzzese)
for
Forsberg (10/15% Retained)
How would you rank Abramov, Hallander, Sandin, Liljegren and Robertson?
Upsides? Negatives?
I think think you've done a pretty good job at being unbiased, and unfortunately I think this kind of offer is likely to be the sort of thing we actually would get if we trade Forsberg.
Ideally we'd want an A+ Caulfield/Robertson type coming back, but I really don't know if teams would want to go for that. And since zero Preds fans actually want to trade Forsberg, we're all going to be asking for as much as we can. But every time a player is on the block, in the vast majority of instances they're traded for less than what fans say is a fair price. I have my doubts that we'll be any different.
A 1st from a team that's in the process of running away with the division (25OA at best).
Nothing from the pool that really hurts to give up (i.e. Robertson, Sandin, Amirov)
A borderline cap dump in this environment in Kerfoot
Nashville should be able to do better. Byram and that ilk is crazy talk (I'm talking about market value not what it would take to convince Nashville to move him in the absence of the internal motivation to do so), but a Forsberg trade would hurt somewhat.
While I know what you mean by saying that a trade for Forsberg should hurt the team, I don't think he is worth that right now because of his contract.A 1st from a team that's in the process of running away with the division (25OA at best).
Nothing from the pool that really hurts to give up (i.e. Robertson, Sandin, Amirov)
A borderline cap dump in this environment in Kerfoot
Nashville should be able to do better. Byram and that ilk is crazy talk (I'm talking about market value not what it would take to convince Nashville to move him in the absence of the internal motivation to do so), but a Forsberg trade would hurt somewhat.
The Forsberg-Leafs rumour was debunked, but if Toronto wanted to add a massive piece like that, I could see a base deal of:I think think you've done a pretty good job at being unbiased, and unfortunately I think this kind of offer is likely to be the sort of thing we actually would get if we trade Forsberg.
Ideally we'd want an A+ Caulfield/Robertson type coming back, but I really don't know if teams would want to go for that. And since zero Preds fans actually want to trade Forsberg, we're all going to be asking for as much as we can. But every time a player is on the block, in the vast majority of instances they're traded for less than what fans say is a fair price. I have my doubts that we'll be any different.
I would be fine with that, but I don't think that the preds would do 50% retention on it. Maybe more like 15/20%I dont disagree, I think Nashville asks for 1 or Robertson or Amirov instead.
I also think Nashville would retain more to get the most out of the deal. If they move Forsberg they dont need to worry about the cap next year.
2021 1st
Mikhail Abramov (C)
Rodion Amirov (LW)
Alexander Kerfoot
Joey Anderson / Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
for
Forsberg (50% Retained)
Why is Kerfoot tossed into every trade proposal imaginable. Pile of crap that Leaf fans are ok with losing for Forsberg . Same thing over and over and over. Here , let me make a list of players I do not really like on my team and offer all of them for one stud.
Devils offer(actually realistic and not a bunch meh prospects) :
Holtz
Boqvist
While I know what you mean by saying that a trade for Forsberg should hurt the team, I don't think he is worth that right now because of his contract.
Now, if Forsberg had even 1 more additional year on his contract, I would be more inclined to agree that it would take one of a teams top 3 prospects to get him, but with only 1 more year left after this, I dont think that he will fetch that.
Also, any team that trades for Forsberg also has to realize that is one more person that they have to protect in the upcoming expansion draft (unless theyre doing something close to a 1 for 1 trade instead of a trade for futures). Since getting Forsberg means that youre probably losing a more prominent player in the upcoming expansion draft, teams will be even more unlikely to give up their top prospects.
If we did trade for him how much of the cap hit would we be responsible for?He does have good value, however he has 1.75 years left on that contract and you do need to take that into consideration.
1st + good prospect imo.
If we did trade for him how much of the cap hit would we be responsible for?