Proposal: Filip Forsberg to the Edmonton Oilers

[ManofSteel55]

I see your point and accept the wisdom but "I would like the Oilers make multiple moves to round out the team so it can compete for the Stanley cup". The window needs to open soon with McDavid and Draisaitl.

The window does need to open soon. And I think the Oilers are closer than many people give them credit for. They aren't a Forsberg away though. They might be a starting goalie and a Forsberg away, although I would prefer to see a top pair d-man in that wish list as well. Scoring winger isn't our biggest need at the moment.

 

[Boondock]

Not so sure he is happy with Roussel.

I'm a Canuck fan and I'm not happy with Roussel either.

 

[majormajor]

From the Oilers perspective I don't think Filip Forsberg is who they should be bidding for. He's going to cost a fortune and you get a bigger marginal improvement by getting a two-way specialist.

I'd suggest kicking the tires on a great 3C shutdown option. Haas and Khaira are killing it right now but do you want to bet on them keeping it up?

Here's another suggestion - try to get Jakob Silfverberg. He's got a great playoff resume and is a beast in a shutdown winger role. Silfverberg would offer a big improvement in the Oilers playoff chances and he shouldn't cost nearly as much as what Forsberg would.

 

[Boondock]

From the Oilers perspective I don't think Filip Forsberg is who they should be bidding for. He's going to cost a fortune and you get a bigger marginal improvement by getting a two-way specialist.

I'd suggest kicking the tires on a great 3C shutdown option. Haas and Khaira are killing it right now but do you want to bet on them keeping it up?

Here's another suggestion - try to get Jakob Silfverberg. He's got a great playoff resume and is a beast in a shutdown winger role. Silfverberg would offer a big improvement in the Oilers playoff chances and he shouldn't cost nearly as much as what Forsberg would.

Silfverberg is 30 signed at $5.25 for this season and 3 more. He has been underproducing this season and is trending towards a 40ish point player. I understand the McDavid/Drai factor but that is a heavy salary investment for a player that peaked at under 50 points, 5 seasons ago. You are right he will cost significantly less than Forsberg, but his true cost might be that his contract prohibits investment in other areas light goalie, without the same pay off as a Forsberg. I don't think FF is the only option but I would look at Rakell before committing to the Silfverberg contract.

 

[majormajor]

Silfverberg is 30 signed at $5.25 for this season and 3 more. He has been underproducing this season and is trending towards a 40ish point player. I understand the McDavid/Drai factor but that is a heavy salary investment for a player that peaked at under 50 points, 5 seasons ago. You are right he will cost significantly less than Forsberg, but his true cost might be that his contract prohibits investment in other areas light goalie, without the same pay off as a Forsberg. I don't think FF is the only option but I would look at Rakell before committing to the Silfverberg contract.

Right, I'm recommending Silfverberg for his qualities as a player. My assumption is that his contract is fully factored into the trade price. Anaheim would have to take some long term salary back, perhaps Zach Kassian. They have the same term left.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Definitely, that's exactly what I was saying, well done. You mentioned they have similar numbers, well here are some other numbers for you: Forsberg has more points than any two other Preds forwards COMBINED. Hopkins has TWENTY fewer points than the dude who centers him.

Nashville doesn’t have McDavid. What kind of clown show argument are you making?

 

[TK]

Nashville doesn’t have McDavid. What kind of clown show argument are you making?

A very, very simple and self-explanatory one. But I'm not surprised you're struggling with it.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

A very, very simple and self-explanatory one. But I'm not surprised you're struggling with it.

The simple part you’ve obviously missed is if Forsberg was on Edmonton’s roster McDavid would still be miles ahead on the stat sheet also. Just like he always is with everyone not named Draisaitl. You won’t find anyone claiming that RNH doesn’t benefit from McDavid or that Forsberg wouldn’t either.

Forsberg being soo far ahead on Nashville’s scoring list isn’t due to his numbers being at all impressive or elite and a lot more to do with guys like Johansen and Duchene being missing in action on the ice.

 

[Soundgarden]

The simple part you’ve obviously missed is if Forsberg was on Edmonton’s roster McDavid would still be miles ahead on the stat sheet also. Just like he always is with everyone not named Draisaitl. You won’t find anyone claiming that RNH doesn’t benefit from McDavid or that Forsberg wouldn’t either.

Forsberg being soo far ahead on Nashville’s scoring list isn’t due to his numbers being at all impressive or elite and a lot more to do with guys like Johansen and Duchene being missing in action on the ice.

How many Nashville games have you seen this year? Forsberg is so far ahead of everybody because he is the only one aside from Josi that can take over a shift, he has been the team this year and it has nothing to do with Johansen or Duchene.

 

[North Cole]

As an Oilers fan, I feel like 2 years of Forsberg is worth much more than that. He's easily the brightest spot of offense in their relatively anemic forward group. In my mind he's one of the untouchables there and this is a fleecing were Poile to somehow take this.

I think targeting Arvy would be much less painful from a cost perspective and this deal is probably closer to getting that done. Likely still need to add since Chiasson is useless at his price and no sane GM is looking at his last 6 games thinking that's the player they will be getting. Problem is Arvy is on a better cap hit, and one more year, so what do we add to this package to get that?

Arvidsson for Holoway, Chiasson, + ?

Or are Preds fans opposed to moving Arvy?

Edit - seems to be a lot of Oiler fans that have no f***ing clue how good Forsberg is, I think this thread is a lost cause. Might be better served trying to get one of their D.

 

[Soundgarden]

As an Oilers fan, I feel like 2 years of Forsberg is worth much more than that. He's easily the brightest spot of offense in their relatively anemic forward group. In my mind he's one of the untouchables there and this is a fleecing were Poile to somehow take this.

I think targeting Arvy would be much less painful from a cost perspective and this deal is probably closer to getting that done. Likely still need to add since Chiasson is useless at his price and no sane GM is looking at his last 6 games thinking that's the player they will be getting. Problem is Arvy is on a better cap hit, and one more year, so what do we add to this package to get that?

Arvidsson for Holoway, Chiasson, + ?

Or are Preds fans opposed to moving Arvy?

Edit - seems to be a lot of Oiler fans that have no f***ing clue how good Forsberg is, I think this thread is a lost cause. Might be better served trying to get one of their D.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Arvidsson, and ultimately think he could be had without Edmonton trading Holloway. A first would have to be going the other way, as well as 1-2 good but not great prospects.

Ekholm would also be about the same price.

 

[North Cole]

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Arvidsson, and ultimately think he could be had without Edmonton trading Holloway. A first would have to be going the other way, as well as 1-2 good but not great prospects.

Ekholm would also be about the same price.

Yeah, but we need to send salary back since we don't have any space, so I assume that needing to bundle Chiasson raises costs since he's useless and we have a flat cap/poor revenues.

 

[adsfan]

Well, 29 points in 16 games for the University of Wisconsin could be close to some record. You'll need to prove to me it isn't.

That works out to 1.81 PPG

Mike Eaves averaged 1.42 PPG, 1.26 PPG, 1.80 PPG and 2.07 PPG. He was the first Badger that I looked up. Mark Johnson, his teammate and Badger Bob's son had 86 in 42 for 2.05 PPG in 1977-78, with 90 in 40 the next season for 2.25 PPG.

From Hockeydb:

Mike Eaves
Forward
Born Jun 10 1956 -- Denver, CO
Height 5.10 -- Weight 180

Selected by St. Louis Blues round 7 #113 overall 1976 NHL Amateur Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1974-75 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 38 17 37 54 12
1975-76 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 34 18 25 43 22
1976-77 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 45 28 53 81 18
1977-78 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 43 31 58 89 16

 

[Soundgarden]

Yeah, but we need to send salary back since we don't have any space, so I assume that needing to bundle Chiasson raises costs since he's useless and we have a flat cap/poor revenues.

Not necessarily, Chiasson's a UFA and if we're rebuilding and just need warm bodies I wouldn't mind it to make it work cap wise.

 

[drw02]

Holloway is solid spect but def getting overrated by op. Freshman year season in NCAA generally paints a much better picture to ones NHL potential. Guys like Eichel, Larkin, Hughes, Zegras, Caufield were all PPG or better as freshman, Holloway wasn't even 0.5

 

[majormajor]

Holloway is solid spect but def getting overrated by op. Freshman year season in NCAA generally paints a much better picture to ones NHL potential. Guys like Eichel, Larkin, Hughes, Zegras, Caufield were all PPG or better as freshman, Holloway wasn't even 0.5

Holloway started college in his draft year, he was younger. Eichel was the only one of those guys to play his freshman season in his draft season. Wisconsin was also a terribly dysfunctional team last year.

Judge prospects by their best, not their worst. If he was 21 it would be a different standard, but he's almost the same age now as a lot of the guys you mentioned were as freshmen.

 

[drw02]

Holloway started college in his draft year, he was younger. Eichel was the only one of those guys to play his freshman season in his draft season. Wisconsin was also a terribly dysfunctional team last year.

Judge prospects by their best, not their worst. If he was 21 it would be a different standard, but he's almost the same age now as a lot of the guys you mentioned were as freshmen.

That's only because they have late birthdays. Larkin, Zegras, Caufield were all in their 18 year old seasons as freshman

 

[majormajor]

That's only because they have late birthdays. Larkin, Zegras, Caufield were all in their 18 year old seasons as freshman

Okay, but another way to look at is that Holloway was younger in his freshman season than

Larkin by a few months
Zegras by six months
Caufield by nine months

In Holloway's current season he is older than the freshman seasons of

Caufield by a few months
Zegras by six months
Larkin by nine months

 

[featherhawk]

wonder when the oil are going to finally find a G.... they should have a look at trading for Aiden Hill from Arizona...the oil go absolutely nowhere with smith and Koskinen

 

[Halla]

Forsberg who isnt a rental for a prospect and cap dump?

lol

 

[IrishInOntario]

I think Holloway is a little more than a "fun prospect", he's fierce and scoring at an outstanding pace for Wisconsin. I really don't think you are getting short changed with Holloway. Name another proposal for Forsberg you have seen that is better than Holloway. If you can't find one maybe you better rethink your statement. You have to be realistic in the ask.

I've suggested something along the lines of...

To Nashville
Rodion Amirov
1st round pick
Pierre Engvall (money)

To Toronto
Filip Forsberg (retained)

Steep price, but I really, really like Forsberg with Matthews and Marner for the next 1.5 years, with an outside chance to extend if it's a great fit.

Not trying to hijack the thread, but there are definitely other offers (on this board) on the Holloway level.

 

[snipes]

Another 2 goal game for Holloway.

Up to 31 points in 17 games in the NCAA. That is absolutely incredible production in the NCAA and he’s still only 19.

Oilers aren’t moving him. Need cheap, good talent like that on ELCs

 

[GermanSpitfire]

OP is grossly overrating Holloway.

I disagree, Holloway is an A-list prospect. Hes one of the best in hockey.
You’re not going to get much better than him in a trade for Forsberg, especially since Forsberg is a UFA next off season.

 

[LucicAndChong]

To say nothing of the value of the deal, Chiasson is an expiring contract to make the money work this season and not be a burden for Nashville's future. Those kinds of pieces are quite common in these type of deals, and they don't entitle you to a much better prospect that you'd usually get.

AKL you’re so right and I stand by you with this comment...

but next time I add Kerfoot into a trade to even out contracts can you remember that you said this

 

[zar]

That works out to 1.81 PPG

Mike Eaves averaged 1.42 PPG, 1.26 PPG, 1.80 PPG and 2.07 PPG. He was the first Badger that I looked up. Mark Johnson, his teammate and Badger Bob's son had 86 in 42 for 2.05 PPG in 1977-78, with 90 in 40 the next season for 2.25 PPG.

From Hockeydb:

Mike Eaves
Forward
Born Jun 10 1956 -- Denver, CO
Height 5.10 -- Weight 180

Selected by St. Louis Blues round 7 #113 overall 1976 NHL Amateur Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1974-75 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 38 17 37 54 12
1975-76 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 34 18 25 43 22
1976-77 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 45 28 53 81 18
1977-78 U. of Wisconsin WCHA 43 31 58 89 16

LOL... US College hockey has evolved and so much more developed than 30+ years ago.

If you are only pointing out pts/gp as an argument because someone indicated Holoway could be breaking records then fine.... but if you are trying to use these numbers to mark Holloway's value then you are way out to lunch.

If you are only trying to point out to p/gp then look no further than in 1992/93, when Paul Kariya had 100p in 39gp (2.56 p/gp)... as a freshman. Strangely enough, he only achieved 24p in 12gp as a sophmore (2p/gp)... but in all honesty NCAA Hockey is way more competitive now vs. then.

EDIT: Here you go Dave Rost for Army scored 108 points in 29 games for Army in 1976/77... thats 3.72p/gp .... never drafted.