Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Power Man, May 27, 2015.
I wish the bid had gone to Japan
Sorry if the sarcasm didn’t come through in my post. Thought it did
The Qatar World Cup bought?
the thing is France and Germany or Japan or the USA/Canada for that matter, can buy to host and it would be ok because they're actually competent and it's not as obvious and blatant.
FIFA sent out a commission to grade each bidding host, Qatar got the worst rating. Yet they won it. When Qatar won it by then FIFA was just so utterly corrupt and full of themselves they didn't give a damn and awarding it to Qatar was almost like they were flaunting how corrupt they were. That's honestly how I felt. When Qatar won was basically without a doubt them just admitting they were corrupt and saying what are you going to do about it? That's what happens when you get away with it for so long and are so powerful you don't think you're going to get caught and start being cocky and take major risks. Qatar was so freaking obvious the lie was basically for whoever was left doubting that it was a farce.
So, bribery is ok as long as you're "competent" and don't make it obvious...oh wow lol
It’s not illegal unless you get caught right?
Yeah, France and Germany are competent. Doesn't change the bribe though.
Paris had the best marked application in the 2012 Olympic Games. Yet when Madrid was beat out in the semi final, all of a sudden London convinced them to send their votes their way.
London is competent, but since they didn't have the best grade in the bidding, how do you think it all panned out?
Germany 2016 WC is a well documented corruption case.
I have zero doubt France 98 too. And soo were Japan/Korea and Brazil and all of them.
perhaps I should have worded it differently in saying "it was ok". Certainly not ok, but was easier for the bribing to go unnoticed and sell it to the masses and attract less attention of authorities. The world would swallow giving it to Germany even though bribing might be attached to it as opposed to giving to Libya or something.....that would instantaneously raise red flags. That was my point, in giving it to Qatar FIFA was so utterly corrupt it was just downright blatant and flaunting the corruption for the whole world to see. It was egregious.
or in this case when you make it just too obvious lol
I don't understand, have a bunch of people been arrested for bringing the WC to France or Germany or no??
Platini released after questioning over Qatar World Cup bid
No but there are several factors to this :
1/ FIFA was in full power back then. Nobody would investigate them
2/ Different treatment for european countries who have football tradition
3/ The facts are there for everyone to see. 7M from Adidas on swiss accounts. Beckenbauer admitted "it was a mistake". So in fact, several german officials admitted to corruption, but you know see point 1 and 2.
As I said, it's daily racism in Europe. Corruption by the Arabs, BAD. Corruption by the europeans, even when they admit it? Nah, no big deal.
That's true, but it would be good precedent for a tournament to be taken away from a proven bribed bid. Should have happened all along and should happen every time from now on. There's either the choice of continuing corruption forever or stopping it for good.
It should also be pointed out that there have been a lot of arrests of people who took bribes for things that weren't the 2022 WC. The corruption scandal was a big deal at least over here and a lot of people went to jail.
I think the easiest way to solve this problem would be to use FIFA’s continental rotation system. An independent body then decides what countries in that area (Asia, Africa, etc.) have a bid that meets the standard to host the WC. So let’s say South Korea, China, Qatar, and UAE were chosen. Then an accomplished group of players likely to play in that WC with equal representation for each continent should vote which country they play in. Public vote.
NameNationalityPositionStatusRef.Chuck Blazer United StatesFormer General Secretary of CONCACAFGuilty plea (died 2017)Alejandro Burzaco ArgentinaCEO of Torneos y CompetenciasGuilty pleaAaron Davidson United StatesChairman of the board of Governors of the North American Soccer League and President of Traffic Sports USAGuilty pleaRafael Esquivel VenezuelaPresident of the Venezuelan Football Federation and member of the CONMEBOL executive committeeGuilty pleaEugenio Figueredo Uruguay
United StatesFIFA Vice President, former President of the Uruguayan Football Association, and former President of CONMEBOLArrestedJosé Hawilla BrazilOwner and founder of Traffic GroupGuilty pleaAlfredo Hawit HondurasPresident of CONCACAF; FIFA Vice-PresidentGuilty pleaSergio Jadue ChileFormer President of Football Federation of Chile and member of the CONMEBOL executive committeeGuilty pleaHugo Jinkis ArgentinaPresident of Full Play GroupSurrenderedMariano Jinkis ArgentinaVice-President of Full Play Group S.A.; son of Hugo JinkisSurrenderedNicolás Leoz Paraguay
ColombiaFormer President of CONMEBOLArrestedEduardo Li Costa RicaPresident of the Costa Rican Football Federation, member-elect of the FIFA executive committee, and member of the CONCACAF executive committeeGuilty PleaJosé Marguiles BrazilSecretary-General of Traffic Sports BrazilGuilty plea.José Maria Marin BrazilFormer President of the Brazilian Football Confederation and former Governor of São PauloConvictedJuan Ángel Napout ParaguayPresident of CONMEBOL; FIFA Vice-PresidentConvictedJulio Rocha López NicaraguaPresident of the Nicaraguan Football Federation, FIFA development officer, and former President of the Central American Football UnionGuilty PleaCostas Takkas Cayman IslandsFormer General Secretary of the Cayman Islands Football Association and Attaché to the CONCACAF PresidentGuilty PleaCarlos Chávez Landivar BoliviaPresident of the Bolivian Football Federation and former treasurer of the CONMEBOLArrestedDaryan Warner Trinidad and Tobago
GrenadaSon of Jack WarnerGuilty pleaDaryll Warner Trinidad and Tobago
United StatesSon of Jack Warner and former FIFA development officerGuilty pleaJack Warner Trinidad and TobagoFormer Vice President of FIFA, former President of CONCACAF, and former Minister of National SecurityBailedJeffrey Webb Cayman IslandsPresident of CONCACAF, President of the Cayman Islands Football Association, and FIFA Vice PresidentGuilty plea.Corporations
NameNationalityDescriptionStatusRef.Traffic Sports International British Virgin IslandsFootball events management company and subsidiary of Traffic GroupGuilty pleaTraffic Sports USA United StatesFootball events management company and subsidiary of Traffic GroupGuilty pleaSecond indictment
The December indictment included the following 16 individuals:
NameNationalityPositionStatusRef.Ariel Alvarado PanamaCurrent member of the FIFA Disciplinary Committee. Former CONCACAF Executive Committee memberManuel Burga PeruCurrent member of the FIFA Development Committee. Former Peruvian soccer federation president.Rafael Callejas HondurasCurrent member of the FIFA Television and Marketing Committee. Former Honduran football federation president and former president of the Republic of Honduras.Guilty PleaCarlos Chávez BoliviaCurrent CONMEBOL treasurer. Former Bolivian football federation president.Luís Chiriboga EcuadorCurrent Ecuadorian football federation president and member of the CONMEBOL Executive Committee.Eduardo Deluca ArgentinaFormer CONMEBOL general secretary.Marco Polo Del Nero BrazilCurrent president of the Brazilian football federation.Alfredo Hawit HondurasCurrent FIFA vice president and Executive Committee member and CONCACAF president.ArrestedBrayan Jiménez GuatemalaCurrent Guatemalan football federation president and member of the FIFA Committee for Fair Play and Social Responsibility.Guilty PleaJosé Luis Meiszner ArgentinaCurrent CONMEBOL general secretary.Juan Ángel Napout ParaguayFormer FIFA vice president, Executive Committee member and CONMEBOL president, Paraguayan football federation president.ArrestedRomer Osuna BoliviaCurrent member of the FIFA Audit and Compliance Committee. Former CONMEBOL treasurer.Rafael Salguero GuatemalaFormer FIFA Executive Committee member and Guatemalan football federation president.Ricardo Teixeira BrazilFormer Brazilian football federation president and FIFA Executive Committee member.Héctor Trujillo GuatemalaCurrent Guatemalan football federation general secretary and judge on the Constitutional Court of Guatemala.On trial. Not guilty plea entered.Reynaldo Vasquez El SalvadorFormer Salvadoran football federation president.
WC and Olympics are all bought, nothing new really; still, if you get caught, you must pay. But I'm more concerned by the fact that now it's becoming pretty clear that some teams were permitted to blatantly cheat on the FFP, wanted of course by that piece of crap of Platini. I hope that turd gets what he deserves.
I don't get the "blatantly cheat on FFP".
First FFP was made to preserve the big teams from any new competition. So that's pretty bad for today's football.
Second, PSG and City (which are the ones implied here) were penalized and paid a hefty sum for using sponsors that paid way above market value. Those contracts were deflated in the UEFA accounts and they had to pay a fee. So they were not "permitted" to cheat since their contracts were rejected and they were fined.
Meanwhile Milan and Marseille are choosing when they get suspended by UEFA. And nobody cares.
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