Can you imagine the consequences if it was Ferland who took that vicious head-shot from Reaves last night instead of Motte? It was already a scary enough incident. But with Ferland, you'd wonder whether he could ever lead a normal life again. Time to retire.
Ferland Setback
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time to hang em up. family comes first and health. same kind of deal with derek dorsett situation? caphit doesnt count? unless hes Ltir
Dorsett did not officially retire, he basically spend the rest of his contract on LTIR still counting against the cap. Ferland wont do any different
Vancouver Canucks Daily Cap Tracker - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Derek Dorsett - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
I thought if players are on LTIR there salary doesnt count against the cap? Isnt that what happend with Hossa and Clarkson?
They do count against the cup unless the team is exceeding the ceiling when replacing them with another player. It is a rather complicated thing but if you feel like it, I suggest to read through the FAQ from capfriendly:
LTIR FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
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lawrence
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we have an option at putting him ltir and saving 3.5 mill in cap room. and no we are not making this up as he clearly got hurt again when he came back.
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ProstheticConscience
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Yeah, that agent's doing his client no favours at all. Or he obviously just posturing.
Ferland's done. Toast. Over.
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I'm not in Ferland's shoes or in his life but I have to think at some point someone close to him needs to step in and tell him it's time to start thinking about life after hockey. Think about the quality of life going into his 30s and 40s and spending time with his wife and kids etc.
Again i'm not his doctor, or a doctor period, but just the amount of setbacks he's had and how easily they've come is a real red flag. He's a professional athlete and has that drive to compete that's probably blinding his decision making.
Again i'm not his doctor, or a doctor period, but just the amount of setbacks he's had and how easily they've come is a real red flag. He's a professional athlete and has that drive to compete that's probably blinding his decision making.
ChilliBilly
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I am a retired engineer, and I am good at math. I have won math competitions. And reading through this makes my brain hurt. Either way we are in Cap hell.
None of this looks good. And I think this guys insane if he ever Plays another game.
I'm not going to hope for Ferland to quit playing hockey. He's only 28 and obviously has a strong desire to keep playing. I'm not going to sit here and judge what is best for him. That's for him and his wife and family to decide.
I think Ferland needs to stop fighting. He clearly can't do that anymore and as I said before, nobody is going to blame him if he doesn't drop the gloves anymore.
I think Ferland needs to stop fighting. He clearly can't do that anymore and as I said before, nobody is going to blame him if he doesn't drop the gloves anymore.
2 fights this season and he didn't last much after that.
Ferland is probably in that grey area in that he would likely clear concussion protocol, like he has the prior 3 returns this season. It's whether he can last more than 2 games when he returns.
But, and this is where it should be scary for Ferland, is that he's doing ok now, in terms of not having symptoms flare up randomly for weeks upon weeks. He generally is feeling ok after about a week or so that he slowly is able to ramp up his training.
But, for anyone with concussion issues, you are literally 1 hit away from severe symptoms, like the ones Savard, Franzen, Pronger suffered to end their career, thus impacting their post hockey life.
That is what Ferland has to weigh.
1) he's ok now, but can't really return to full action, but since he feels fine leading up to actually playing, he'll likely keep trying to return to the NHL to play. Unless a doctor actually advises him not to return. Otherwise, if he passes concussion protocol then he wouldn't get paid for not playing since he couldn't be placed on LTIR.
2) the scary end result is that he plays, and gets concussed again and it impacts him like Savard/Franzen. He gets his money, but the quality of life is not good for him.
What advice is a doctor going to give him over this off-season?
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Pip
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This guy is insane. Returning multiple times just to be immediately concussed. Fighting in his first shift of his playoff return.
Someone needs to knock some sense into this guy.
dude wtf
deckercky
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The new CBA has some new rules about allowing players to get a second opinion if the club's medical team won't clear a player for a return.
Extra wrinkle next season is likely no AHL for a conditioning stint, which acted as the canary in the mineshaft on one occasion this year.
Extra wrinkle next season is likely no AHL for a conditioning stint, which acted as the canary in the mineshaft on one occasion this year.
Diamonddog01
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Leafs play litr games more than any other team. Saw an article recently where they listed some targets for them to continue doing this now that their 2 big litr contracts are finished and the author suggested Ferland. Unlikely but who knows.
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canucks are not regular season rivals so it could be a fit with clarkson and horton falling off the books this year. depends on whether the leafs want to continue down that road. leafs "estimated salary expenditure" this past season including all the dead salaries they pay and all the extra bodies they pay in relief was $110m according to capfriendly.
But for that to occur, they would need to know for sure that Ferland is never going to play again. We don't know that yet. It's been over a month since the Game 2 vs Minny. Have to wait and see what management says about him at this point. Is he suffering any symptoms after 4 weeks?
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dunno how many comebacks he can sensibly try. it is getting ridiculous.
didn't lupul hint that the leafs have ways of keeping you on robidas island?
deckercky
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The chiropractor was able to help Crosby relieve symptoms, which had previously been considered concussion related, because the symptoms were in fact not concussion symptoms, and we're from an unresolved neck injury.
One of the difficult things with concussions is that the symptoms could be post-concussion, or a number of non-brain injury related issues.
Same type of thing with draft prospect Hendrix Lapierre. He missed time for what is believe to be 2 concussions this season plus one last season. Second opinion is that the third one is a neck injury. But that’s going to hurt his draft stock.
his comparable is Bergeron in terms of being a high quality two way C. Type of game but doesn’t mean same output on both sides.
makes him a wildcard in the draft.
I’m sure Ferland is going to look around for other opinions as to what ails him since he is Abel to recover and pass the concussion protocols but not make it through the games.
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