Fantasy GM Thread | Part 8

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4Twenty

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If we could get ?Sam Bennett for Jake, could he fill the third line centre spot?
What do we add to Jake?
Bennett is a smarter player but he isn’t moving the needle. I’d prefer a pick and no salary in return.
 

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Yeah I just disagree with a lot of your opinions. No biggie. But negative value is requiring assets to move. Jake isn’t there imo.

His contract and performance aren’t pluses but nhl GM’s pay for Jake’s measurements and draft stock. It’s just how it is.
 

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Bennett is a smarter player but he isn’t moving the needle. I’d prefer a pick and no salary in return.
I’d love if we could get a pick for Jake. If that did happen then we could use that pick to sweeten a deal offloading Rooster. Yes, I see that.
Who do you think has more chance of returning draft capital: Jake or Gaud? Maybe Gaud is the one to attach to Rooster, either dir3 toy or indirectly?
 

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I’d love if we could get a pick for Jake. If that did happen then we could use that pick to sweeten a deal offloading Rooster. Yes, I see that.
Who do you think has more chance of returning draft capital: Jake or Gaud? Maybe Gaud is the one to attach to Rooster, either dir3 toy or indirectly?
I’m not great with these things especially in this pandemic era. But I’d guess Jake. Better tools (speed, size, shot).

A 2nd seems like it was possible without a pandemic. Maybe a 3rd. Yeah it sucks to lose a 6th overall but the cap space imo is more of an asset for the team at this stage.
 

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Isn’t Laughton a winger now?

These are the guys first crack at UFA. I can’t imagine we can afford those two.

To me you can’t go signing term this summer. Wait for the real window.

My understanding is that he plays both wing and C. Coleman can also do both, although he's older and the team might be leery about signing 29 / 30 year-old bottom six players given how poorly that's worked out for them (to be fair Coleman is another stratosphere compared to guys like Roussel).

I get what you're saying in regards to term but a guy like Danault would be fine with term imo as he's in the tier of players you've listed as hoping to target.
 

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My understanding is that he plays both wing and C. Coleman can also do both, although he's older and the team might be leery about signing 29 / 30 year-old bottom six players given how poorly that's worked out for them (to be fair Coleman is another stratosphere compared to guys like Roussel).

I get what you're saying in regards to term but a guy like Danault would be fine with term imo as he's in the tier of players you've listed as hoping to target.
The Canucks are just kind of screwed since they have to pay their own RFA’s I’m not sure how active they can be without clearing at least two 21/22 salaries.

I also don’t expect Holtby gets claimed.

Next year isn’t the one. They can find one year stop gaps b/c of the pandemic imo.

That 22/23 class is the one to target. Lines up with the team better too. Flexibility is key.
 

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The Canucks are just kind of screwed since they have to pay their own RFA’s I’m not sure how active they can be without clearing at least two 21/22 salaries.

I also don’t expect Holtby gets claimed.

Next year isn’t the one. They can find one year stop gaps b/c of the pandemic imo.

That 22/23 class is the one to target. Lines up with the team better too. Flexibility is key.

I doubt Holtby gets claimed as well. Maybe if the Canucks throw in a 2nd or a decent prospect Seattle claims Myers? Most likely a pipe dream however. They also need to buyout Eriksson and Roussel this offseason imo, I was a fan of Roussel and was happy with his first season here but he's clearly done. That is really the only way the team could upgrade the 3rd line C spot and find a partner for Hughes.
 

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I doubt Holtby gets claimed as well. Maybe if the Canucks throw in a 2nd or a decent prospect Seattle claims Myers? Most likely a pipe dream however. They also need to buyout Eriksson and Roussel this offseason imo, I was a fan of Roussel and was happy with his first season here but he's clearly done. That is really the only way the team could upgrade the 3rd line C spot and find a partner for Hughes.

Buying out Roussel would require $1.267M in cash to net $633K in cap hit savings which is less than the 750k minimum cap hit needed to replace him on the roster. Either trade him with retention or bury him in the minors next season if he can't hold a roster spot. Buying out Virtanen would be a much more cost-efficient and effective way of saving cap space.
 

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Buying out Roussel would require $1.267M in cash to net $633K in cap hit savings which is less than the 750k minimum cap hit needed to replace him on the roster. Either trade him with retention or bury him in the minors next season if he can't hold a roster spot. Buying out Virtanen would be a much more cost-efficient and effective way of saving cap space.

His cap hit is 1.7 with a buyout compared to 3?
 

Blue and Green

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His cap hit is 1.7 with a buyout compared to 3?

But then it adds 633K of cap hit in the following season. Why not bury him in the minors next season if necessary to remove $1.125M that way next season without any cap hit put into the following season?
 

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But then it adds 633K of cap hit in the following season. Why not bury him in the minors next season if necessary to remove $1.125M that way next season without any cap hit put into the following season?

633k is fairly marginal the following year when things open. That 1.3 million freed up will be important imo given that we are again tight up against the cap. But sure, sending him down accomplishes the same thing I suppose. I wasn't clear on exactly how much that would reduce his cap hit.
 

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The Canucks are just kind of screwed since they have to pay their own RFA’s I’m not sure how active they can be without clearing at least two 21/22 salaries.

I also don’t expect Holtby gets claimed.

Next year isn’t the one. They can find one year stop gaps b/c of the pandemic imo.

That 22/23 class is the one to target. Lines up with the team better too. Flexibility is key.
While that might be true, you don't want to blow all your cap space there either, with Horvat and Miller needing new deals one year later as UFAs. If they both continue to produce at the same rate as this season and last, I can see Miller asking for close to double what he is making now, and Horvat a significant raise as well. Our D is still a mess despite having nearly $12m tied up by Myers and Schmidt, plus whatever Hughes will sign for this offseason.
Flexibility is indeed the key, for the 23/24 off season as well. Once we figure out what we are paying for Miller/Horvat, then we can look to spurge on UFAs. I'm looking at 23/24 and 24/25 as the time to be players in the UFAs market.
 

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Watching ?Eichel again. He’s so good. What would it cost us to get him? Don’t want any other player from their team including Dahlin. That guy is terrible defensively and isn’t really an offensively gifted guy either.
Just get us Eichel!
 

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Watching ?Eichel again. He’s so good. What would it cost us to get him? Don’t want any other player from their team including Dahlin. That guy is terrible defensively and isn’t really an offensively gifted guy either.
Just get us Eichel!
I’d be all over a trade for Eichel.
 
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Watching ?Eichel again. He’s so good. What would it cost us to get him? Don’t want any other player from their team including Dahlin. That guy is terrible defensively and isn’t really an offensively gifted guy either.
Just get us Eichel!

Petey
 

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Eichel is playing like a PP specialist right now and as bad as Pettersson has been this year he’s been better. I’d argue he was better last year too.
 

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I really don't think the Sabres should Eichel.... him and Dahlin are what they should be building around. Kind of like us with Petey and Hughes.
 

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Rumblings that Dumoulin could be available. Not sure the Canucks have the right pieces to get it done (would rather horde picks and our expendable assets just aren't good enough imo)

In my fantasyland, he could be an affordable Edler replacement
 

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Given what I think is likely we'd have to give up to get Eichel (Horvat, 1st, +++) I don't think it makes much sense at all for the Canucks to pursue him. Calgary on the other hand...
 

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Sort of on topic of what's been discussed here, but I strongly believe that Seattle will opt for one of our cheap grinders we leave unprotected over taking Holtby or Myers.

I guess if Holtby finishes the season strong there's a shot there but I don't think Seattle (like Vegas) is going to select a lot of big contracts. Pittsburgh paid Vegas to take Fleury afterall.
 

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Man I'm playing around with capfriendly, trying to think about next seasons team and I think there is a way out. It's optimistic and I think semi-realistic, but here me out (I'll address what needs to go last):

Pettersson 4 years @ $8.25m (big QO in RFA)
Hughes 2 years @ $7m
Demko 3 years @ $3.75m (3, 3.5, 4.75)
Re-sign Pearson (I don't actually want to do this) 3 years $3.3m
Re-sign Juolevi 1yr $1m
Re-sign Chatfield and Rafferty (or any other league minimum D) $750k each
Sign Vasily Podkolzin 3 year ELC (I don't burn it this year either) $925k

Free Agency
Sign Nick Bonino 1 year $1.5m
Sign Adam Larsson 2 years @ $3m
Sign Brock McGinn 3 years @$2.5m (this might be too low)
Sign Riley Nash 1yr $850k (C/W able)

Lineup

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Hoglander
McGinn - Bonino - Podkolzin
Motte - Beagle - Nash

Scratches: Eriksson (I really want to see if he'd trade hitting 1,000 games for LTIR'ing next season....still gets his $4m) and MacEwan.

But as is, Eriksson is in this lineup.

Hughes - Larsson
Juolevi - Myers
Chatfield - Schmidt

Scratches: Rafferty

I've got Ferland on LTIR. ANd the plan is to get rid of Virtanen and Roussel with no salary coming back, think picks for Jake and pick swap for Roussel (only $1.9m cash means something to some teams hopefully). Gaudette left too, hopefully as a sweetener.

This lineup has $73k in cap space. If they could find a way out of Loui's deal all bets are off. You can probably afford to bring back Edler and get a better dman than Larsson. I don't think the job is going to be that hard. Plus it gets even more flexible if you choose not to bring Pearson back.

Something like this can tide them over for the next season and maybe some more draft picks surprise in the mean time. To me it's imperative not to go big on guys like Laughton when guys who are more 2B type C's might be available the following season or as rentals.

21/22 is about building but biding time. 22/23 is the summer where they need to go big game hunting.

Something has to happen with #18, #21, and #26 this season/offseason.
 
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Man I'm playing around with capfriendly, trying to think about next seasons team and I think there is a way out. It's optimistic and I think semi-realistic, but here me out (I'll address what needs to go last):

Pettersson 4 years @ $8.25m (big QO in RFA)
Hughes 2 years @ $7m
Demko 3 years @ $3.75m (3, 3.5, 4.75)
Re-sign Pearson (I don't actually want to do this) 3 years $3.3m
Re-sign Juolevi 1yr $1m
Re-sign Chatfield and Rafferty (or any other league minimum D) $750k each
Sign Vasily Podkolzin 3 year ELC (I don't burn it this year either) $925k

Free Agency
Sign Nick Bonino 1 year $1.5m
Sign Adam Larsson 2 years @ $3m
Sign Brock McGinn 3 years @$2.5m (this might be too low)
Sign Riley Nash 1yr $850k (C/W able)

Lineup

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Hoglander
McGinn - Bonino - Podkolzin
Motte - Beagle - Nash

Scratches: Eriksson (I really want to see if he'd trade hitting 1,000 games for LTIR'ing next season....still gets his $4m) and MacEwan.

But as is, Eriksson is in this lineup.

Hughes - Larsson
Juolevi - Myers
Chatfield - Schmidt

Scratches: Rafferty

I've got Ferland on LTIR. ANd the plan is to get rid of Virtanen and Roussel with no salary coming back, think picks for Jake and pick swap for Roussel (only $1.9m cash means something to some teams hopefully). Gaudette left too, hopefully as a sweetener.

This lineup has $73k in cap space. If they could find a way out of Loui's deal all bets are off. You can probably afford to bring back Edler and get a better dman than Larsson. I don't think the job is going to be that hard. Plus it gets even more flexible if you choose not to bring Pearson back.

Something like this can tide them over for the next season and maybe some more draft picks surprise in the mean time. To me it's imperative not to go big on guys like Laughton when guys who are more 2B type C's might be available the following season or as rentals.

21/22 is about building but biding time. 22/23 is the summer where they need to go big game hunting.

Something has to happen with #18, #21, and #26 this season/offseason.
Send this to Benning.
I think a guy like Larsson would like the chance to play with Hughes. Plus, he’d be a good partner. He does well enough the things Quinn struggles with.
 
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Man I'm playing around with capfriendly, trying to think about next seasons team and I think there is a way out. It's optimistic and I think semi-realistic, but here me out (I'll address what needs to go last):

Pettersson 4 years @ $8.25m (big QO in RFA)
Hughes 2 years @ $7m
Demko 3 years @ $3.75m (3, 3.5, 4.75)
Re-sign Pearson (I don't actually want to do this) 3 years $3.3m
Re-sign Juolevi 1yr $1m
Re-sign Chatfield and Rafferty (or any other league minimum D) $750k each
Sign Vasily Podkolzin 3 year ELC (I don't burn it this year either) $925k

Free Agency
Sign Nick Bonino 1 year $1.5m
Sign Adam Larsson 2 years @ $3m
Sign Brock McGinn 3 years @$2.5m (this might be too low)
Sign Riley Nash 1yr $850k (C/W able)

Lineup

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Hoglander
McGinn - Bonino - Podkolzin
Motte - Beagle - Nash

Scratches: Eriksson (I really want to see if he'd trade hitting 1,000 games for LTIR'ing next season....still gets his $4m) and MacEwan.

But as is, Eriksson is in this lineup.

Hughes - Larsson
Juolevi - Myers
Chatfield - Schmidt

Scratches: Rafferty

I've got Ferland on LTIR. ANd the plan is to get rid of Virtanen and Roussel with no salary coming back, think picks for Jake and pick swap for Roussel (only $1.9m cash means something to some teams hopefully). Gaudette left too, hopefully as a sweetener.

This lineup has $73k in cap space. If they could find a way out of Loui's deal all bets are off. You can probably afford to bring back Edler and get a better dman than Larsson. I don't think the job is going to be that hard. Plus it gets even more flexible if you choose not to bring Pearson back.

Something like this can tide them over for the next season and maybe some more draft picks surprise in the mean time. To me it's imperative not to go big on guys like Laughton when guys who are more 2B type C's might be available the following season or as rentals.

21/22 is about building but biding time. 22/23 is the summer where they need to go big game hunting.

Something has to happen with #18, #21, and #26 this season/offseason.

That's a credible lineup but Chatfield pencilled in on his wrong side is painful to see.
 
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That's a credible lineup but Chatfield pencilled in on his wrong side is painful to see.
Well I want it to be Edler, if you couldn't tell. I just can't pretend making Loui disappear will be easy. I hope they can come to a handshake type agreement. Get him to 1000 and then he can be too sore to train next offseason, the Zetterberg excuse.
 
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