Fantasy GM Thread | Part 8

[m9]

We also have no idea what the other team is looking to trade for these vets with term. I'm sure there would be some bad players/contracts coming back too.

 

[iceburg]

it is a pretty sure sign the guy ain't making it to the show as a winger.

You may be right. From what I've seen of him play, he looks a little soft out there. Not that strong along the boards and, at least at this stage, he would get eaten alive by wingers and D-men at the NHL level.
I just wonder whether they think he can transition to centre because of his skating and offense.

 

[iceburg]

It wouldn't shock me if some team had mild interest in Beagle if we retain 50%.

Holtby/Eriksson/Roussel, not a chance.

Yeah.

If it were me, of the roster players I would rank interest highest to lowest as follows:

Pearson
Gaudette
Sutter
Virtanen
Benn
Beagle

All others I either wouldn't trade (within reason) or they'd have to pay to get rid of.

 

[dbaz]

so can someone fill me in on the math on exposing dmen for expansion? why are people discussing myers being exposed? don't we have three slots that pretty obviously go to schmidt, juolevi and myers? i would think our problem would be finding a dman under contract to fulfill the minimum exposure requirement.

basically, the theory is that due to covid finances and also teams only being able to protect 3 spots there will be other teams trying to sell top 4 dman for cheap(schmidt style) that are better/cost less than myers. there are quite a few teams with this problem. if you acquire one, then hope that myers is taken like sbisa was or figure out the cap after.

 

[krutovsdonut]

basically, the theory is that due to covid finances and also teams only being able to protect 3 spots there will be other teams trying to sell top 4 dman for cheap(schmidt style) that are better/cost less than myers. there are quite a few teams with this problem. if you acquire one, then hope that myers is taken like sbisa was or figure out the cap after.

that would be incredibly monumentally stupid if having this new guy and myers would cause a cap issue. we'd be completely at seattle's mercy given we need to resign hughes and petterson. the only way to do that is to pay seattle to take myers before we do such a deal.

very hard pass

 

[m9]

Why are we obviously protecting Juolevi?

 

[MS]

Why are we obviously protecting Juolevi?

I don't think there is any defender on our roster I'd be locked in on protecting right now. Maybe Schmidt.

If we could find 3 good options on the trade market under value from teams forced to sell assets, I'd move for and protect all 3.

If we end up protecting Juolevi, it probably means we haven't taken advantage of the expansion draft to the best extent possible.

 

[dbaz]

that would be incredibly monumentally stupid if having this new guy and myers would cause a cap issue. we'd be completely at seattle's mercy given we need to resign hughes and petterson. the only way to do that is to pay seattle to take myers before we do such a deal.

very hard pass

its doable without a cap issue. 4-5mil cap is the avg cap range for the players who look to be not protected some outliers at 6. it just means they need to be smarter during ufa signings.

Why are we obviously protecting Juolevi?

its smarter for cap reasons/asset reasons. you basically want to expose as many bad contacts/higher cap hits during the expansion draft. theres a chance seattle takes these, with/without a slight incentive and then turns them around to another team with/without retention. ie myers could net them assets if retained.
if you leave a younger player like juolevi hed be a no-brainer pick as he has upside as a long term nhler. whether that be as a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy.
even if the canucks decide not to go with juolevi he was more value to them as a trade asset than someone to expose during the expansion draft.

 

[krutovsdonut]

its doable without a cap issue. 4-5mil cap is the avg cap range for the players who look to be not protected some outliers at 6. it just means they need to be smarter during ufa signings.


its smarter for cap reasons/asset reasons. you basically want to expose as many bad contacts/higher cap hits during the expansion draft. theres a chance seattle takes these, with/without a slight incentive and then turns them around to another team with/without retention.
if you leave a younger player like juolevi hed be a no-brainer pick as he has upside as a long term nhler. whether that be as a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy.
even if the canucks decide not to go with juolevi he was more value to them as a trade asset than someone to expose during the expansion draft.

i don't get your math.

$20 million comes off the books next year. with that they will need to replace 3d and 2 forwards, plus sign pettersson and hughes. unless seattle takes a decent salary off us, we will not have any extra dough for a new $4-5million contract.

 

[dbaz]

i don't get your math.

$20 million comes off the books next year. with that they will need to replace 3d and 2 forwards, plus sign pettersson and hughes. unless seattle takes a decent salary off us, we will not have any extra dough for a new $4-5million contract.

they have 29mil to work with in the offseason.
bridge pettersson 2/3x 7.5
bridge hughes 2x 7
demko 2 x 3
gaudette 1.5
podz 925k
1 of rath/juolevi up 925-1mil

leaves roughly 8mil for 2 dmen. can increase it by 3milwith a holtby buyout if needed

re-sign pettersson-hughes long term after eriksson, beagle, roussel cap is gone

 

[krutovsdonut]

they have 29mil to work with in the offseason.
bridge pettersson 2/3x 7.5
bridge hughes 2x 7
demko 2 x 3
gaudette 1.5
podz 925k
1 of rath/juolevi up 925-1mil

leaves roughly 8mil for 2 dmen. can increase it by 3milwith a holtby buyout if needed

re-sign pettersson-hughes long term after eriksson, beagle, roussel cap is gone

where does $29million come from? are you counting things like the $1.025m that rfa demko makes? that is not coming off the books. there is about $20 million i can see.

 

[m9]

its doable without a cap issue. 4-5mil cap is the avg cap range for the players who look to be not protected some outliers at 6. it just means they need to be smarter during ufa signings.


its smarter for cap reasons/asset reasons. you basically want to expose as many bad contacts/higher cap hits during the expansion draft. theres a chance seattle takes these, with/without a slight incentive and then turns them around to another team with/without retention. ie myers could net them assets if retained.
if you leave a younger player like juolevi hed be a no-brainer pick as he has upside as a long term nhler. whether that be as a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy.
even if the canucks decide not to go with juolevi he was more value to them as a trade asset than someone to expose during the expansion draft.

That's why you would protect Juolevi over Myers but the preferred option is still just having other good players so you don't have to protect either one.

 

[m9]

they have 29mil to work with in the offseason.
bridge pettersson 2/3x 7.5
bridge hughes 2x 7
demko 2 x 3
gaudette 1.5
podz 925k
1 of rath/juolevi up 925-1mil

leaves roughly 8mil for 2 dmen. can increase it by 3milwith a holtby buyout if needed

re-sign pettersson-hughes long term after eriksson, beagle, roussel cap is gone

Demko will an UFA in 2 years so that will be an awful deal. You also need to allocate 1.7 million for Hughes/EP bonuses.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Unless you can show me a cap-compliant, realistic lineup with RNH in it, any discussion of him is a waste of time. He would be a weird target anyway - the Canucks need a RHD if they had the space to go shopping.

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($1,050,000) - Vasily Podkolzin ($925,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000)
Centre: Elias Pettersson ($7,500,000) - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($7,000,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000)
Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($850,000)
DEFENSE (6)
Right: Cody Ceci ($1,250,000) - Matthew Benning ($1,000,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000)
Left: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Quinn Hughes ($7,500,000) - Alexander Edler ($3,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Thatcher Demko ($4,750,000) - Michael DiPietro ($811,667)
AHL BURIED (1)
Loui Eriksson ($4,875,000)
BUYOUTS (1)
Braden Holtby ($500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 20
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $78,563,546
Cap Space: $2,936,454

Agree with you though, a shutdown right-side D to play with Schmidt would be best.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($1,050,000) - Vasily Podkolzin ($925,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000)
Centre: Elias Pettersson ($7,500,000) - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($7,000,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000)
Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($850,000)
DEFENSE (6)
Right: Cody Ceci ($1,250,000) - Matthew Benning ($1,000,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000)
Left: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Quinn Hughes ($7,500,000) - Alexander Edler ($3,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Thatcher Demko ($4,750,000) - Michael DiPietro ($811,667)
AHL BURIED (1)
Loui Eriksson ($4,875,000)
BUYOUTS (1)
Braden Holtby ($500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 20
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $78,563,546
Cap Space: $2,936,454

Agree with you though, a shutdown right-side D to play with Schmidt would be best.

dont forget Ferlund and his nightmare cap issue, he decides he wants to play 3-4 games, we lose a player on waivers only for him to get hurt again.

 

[Fedz]

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($1,050,000) - Vasily Podkolzin ($925,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000)
Centre: Elias Pettersson ($7,500,000) - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($7,000,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000)
Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($850,000)
DEFENSE (6)
Right: Cody Ceci ($1,250,000) - Matthew Benning ($1,000,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000)
Left: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Quinn Hughes ($7,500,000) - Alexander Edler ($3,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Thatcher Demko ($4,750,000) - Michael DiPietro ($811,667)
AHL BURIED (1)
Loui Eriksson ($4,875,000)
BUYOUTS (1)
Braden Holtby ($500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 20
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $78,563,546
Cap Space: $2,936,454

Agree with you though, a shutdown right-side D to play with Schmidt would be best.

What happened to Virtanen and Roussel?

 

[m9]

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($1,050,000) - Vasily Podkolzin ($925,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000)
Centre: Elias Pettersson ($7,500,000) - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($7,000,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000)
Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($850,000)
DEFENSE (6)
Right: Cody Ceci ($1,250,000) - Matthew Benning ($1,000,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000)
Left: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Quinn Hughes ($7,500,000) - Alexander Edler ($3,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Thatcher Demko ($4,750,000) - Michael DiPietro ($811,667)
AHL BURIED (1)
Loui Eriksson ($4,875,000)
BUYOUTS (1)
Braden Holtby ($500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 20
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $78,563,546
Cap Space: $2,936,454

Agree with you though, a shutdown right-side D to play with Schmidt would be best.

Virtanen? Roussel? Luongo recapture? EP/Hughes bonuses? 3 other players to fill the roster?

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Virtanen? Roussel? Luongo recapture? EP/Hughes bonuses? 3 other players to fill the roster?

This could be the roster in two years, in which case I don’t see RNH as part of that team, talk about a guy who doesn’t fit ( in my opinion )

if you are gonna bump Horvat down the depth chart to third line centre you need to find a really good puck distributor to play that second line, find me a way to get Zegras and GO!!

 

[ginner classic]

they have 29mil to work with in the offseason.
bridge pettersson 2/3x 7.5
bridge hughes 2x 7
demko 2 x 3
gaudette 1.5
podz 925k
1 of rath/juolevi up 925-1mil

leaves roughly 8mil for 2 dmen. can increase it by 3milwith a holtby buyout if needed

re-sign pettersson-hughes long term after eriksson, beagle, roussel cap is gone

So we lose Demko as a UFA?

 

[krutovsdonut]

let's try this cap math another way.

if i subtract all twelve roster positions that are either ufa or rfa and the various other things coming off you remove around $28 million right now.

but you have 10 forwards (including mott and eriksson), 2 dmen and a goalie under contract next year. and you have to add back mott and eriksson's full salaries back from ltir and the taxi squad.

so in reality you save about $26million and you have at least 10 roster spots to fill.

now allocate a minimum of $1m per empty roster spot as a baseline, because you are going to spend that to field a team.

and so you have $16m total to spend on paying any of those 10 roster guys more than $1million next year.

so pretty much all our raise money belongs to hughes, pettersson and demko. and there is not enough to do longterm deals.

which means we are replacing edler, hamonic and benn with roughly $1m contracts. maybe one $2m deal.

and that is all assuming a cap overage based on maxing out ferlund's ltir as we are doing right now.

 

[m9]

let's try this cap math another way.

if i subtract all twelve roster positions that are either ufa or rfa and the various other things coming off you remove around $28 million right now.

but you have 10 forwards (including mott and eriksson), 2 dmen and a goalie under contract next year. and you have to add back mott and eriksson's full salaries back from ltir and the taxi squad.

so in reality you save about $26million and you have at least 10 roster spots to fill.

now allocate a minimum of $1m per empty roster spot as a baseline, because you are going to spend that to field a team.

and so you have $16m total to spend on paying any of those 10 roster guys more than $1million next year.

so pretty much all our raise money belongs to hughes, pettersson and demko. and there is not enough to do longterm deals.

which means we are replacing edler, hamonic and benn with roughly $1m contracts. maybe one $2m deal.

and that is all assuming a cap overage based on maxing out ferlund's ltir as we are doing right now.

It's a tough squeeze next year for sure.

It does make me wonder if we are looking at 1yr deals for all 3 of EP, Hughes, and Demko. Maybe the players prefer it as there will be more money in a year for the team & potentially the post-pandemic cap looks better. The team gets the lower cap fit during a tight season.

 

[4Twenty]

See I don't really get this, the top guys are worth 8 year deals, the goalie worth 4 years, but they're mediocre again? But then just magically flip the following years?

I think if you believe in those guys you build around them now. I definitely see a way to building a playoff team next season and an improving contender beyond.

Sign:
Pettersson 5 years $8.5m, call it the Aho effect
Hughes 3 years $7.25m, highest scoring dman ever coming off an elc, lacks bigger leverage with 10.2c
Demko 3 years $3m,
Juolevi 2 years $1m
Podkolzin 3 years $925k (ELC)

Bury in Minors:
Eriksson $4.925m cap hit
Roussel $1.925m caphit

Stuck with:
Beagle $3m
Holtby $4.3m
Myers $6m

Before doing anything else, this projected lineup needs two top 4 dmen and an entire 3rd line. 15 roster spots taken by:

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Hoglander-Bo-Podkolzin (these could the 3rd line wingers)
*****-*****-*****
Motte-Beagle-Macewan

Hughes-*****
*****-Schmidt
Juolevi-Myers

Demko
Holtby

8 roster spots, $12m to spend. $1.5m for each spot. Say the 13th forward and 7th and 8th D are league minimum $750k guys.

$9.75m to strategically fill 5 key roster spots on 1 yr deals is doable IMO.


edit* these are not guys I want, but just illustrating the example but....You could afford to add these 1 year signings from this past season for ~$10m they would have to spend.

Haula $1.75m
Soderberg $1m
Vatanen $2m
Hoffman $4m
Ceci $1.25m

Yup, it's made in cap friendly.

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
15	$81,500,000	$69,276,879	$0	$200,000	$12,223,121

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Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000 LW UFA - 2	Pettersson, Elias $8,500,000 C RFA	Boeser, Brock $5,875,000 RW RFA - 1
Höglander, Nils $891,667 LW, RW RFA - 2	Horvat, Bo $5,500,000 C UFA - 2	Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000 RW RFA
Motte, Tyler $1,225,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Beagle, Jay $3,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	MacEwen, Zack $825,000 C, RW RFA - 1

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Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,250,000 LD RFA	Schmidt, Nate $5,950,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Holtby, Braden $4,300,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Juolevi, Olli $1,000,000 LD RFA	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Demko, Thatcher $3,000,000 G RFA

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Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2
		Virtanen, Jake $2,550,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

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Taxi Squad
Eriksson, Loui $6,000,000 ($4,875,000) LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
DiPietro, Michael $811,667 ($0) G RFA - 1
Roussel, Antoine $3,000,000 ($1,875,000) LW M-NTC UFA - 1

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Cant fix the formatting but Jake is in LTIR because he's my proposed trade or expansion loss. Ferland is also LTIR not scratch. Taxi squad is buried.

let's try this cap math another way.

if i subtract all twelve roster positions that are either ufa or rfa and the various other things coming off you remove around $28 million right now.

but you have 10 forwards (including mott and eriksson), 2 dmen and a goalie under contract next year. and you have to add back mott and eriksson's full salaries back from ltir and the taxi squad.

so in reality you save about $26million and you have at least 10 roster spots to fill.

now allocate a minimum of $1m per empty roster spot as a baseline, because you are going to spend that to field a team.

and so you have $16m total to spend on paying any of those 10 roster guys more than $1million next year.

so pretty much all our raise money belongs to hughes, pettersson and demko. and there is not enough to do longterm deals.

which means we are replacing edler, hamonic and benn with roughly $1m contracts. maybe one $2m deal.

and that is all assuming a cap overage based on maxing out ferlund's ltir as we are doing right now.

this was a framework I suggested a week ago.

All that assumes:
-jake is gone no salary back
-Eriksson and Roussel buried
-beagle still on team
-Holtby and Myers are not claimed in expansion

After a week I’m already deciding to get Demko on a longer deal. Hopefully his play continues.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Friedman suggest the Jets might be interested in Hamonic if Ekholm is too expensive.

Should take whatever we can get for him.

 

[Fatass]

Friedman suggest the Jets might be interested in Hamonic if Ekholm is too expensive.

Should take whatever we can get for him.

Hamonic, Sutter, Pearson, Benn. Need to get draft capital for 2/3 of them.

 

[Peen]

Hamonic has been decent recently but shouldn’t be a long term option here unless they move Myers.

Clean house