Fantasy Draft Voting R2

[Llamamoto]

1



Matthew Thachuk - Auston Matthews - Rielly Smith
Jason Zucker - Nico Hischier - Bryan Rust
Nikita Gusev - Chris Tierney - Zach Kassian
Yakov Trenin - Cody Eakin - Blake Comeau

Sam Girard - Connor Murphy
Ryan Murray - Jacob Trouba
Jon Merrill - Trevor van Riemsdyk

Semyon Varlamov
Troy Grosenick

vs



Alex Newhook - Connor McDavid - Drake Batherson
Nic Robertson - Ryan Getzlaf - Jonathan Marchesseault
Brandon Tanev - Yanni Gourde - Nicolas Aube Kubel
Eric Robinson - Ryan McLeod - Josh Leavo

Adam Pelech - John Marino
Ivan Provorov - Alex Romanov
Zachary Jones - Michal Kempny

Calvin Peterson
Matt Murray

2



Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Mark Scheifele - Anthony Mantha
Jesper Bratt - Gabriel Vilardi - Rickard Rakell
Brock McGinn - Pavel Zacha - Colin White
Milan Lucic - Blake Lizotte - Liam Foudy

Esa Lindell - Ryan Pulock
Darnell Nurse - Troy Stecher
Travis Dermott - Dean Kukan

Thatcher Demko
Adin Hill

vs



Max Pacioretty - Elias Pettersson - Andrei Svechnikov
Taylor Hall - Jared McCann - Brendan Gallagher
Barclay Goodrow - Filip Chytil - Warren Foegele
Keegan Kolesar - Ross Colton - Brandon Sutter

Brian Dumoulin - Nate Schmidt
Vladislav Gavrikov - Carson Soucy
Brett Kulak - Colin Miller

Antti Raanta
Pavel Francouz

3



Kirill Kaprizov - Mika Zibanejad - Patrick Hornqvist
Robby Fabbri - Josh Norris - Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Bunting - Alex Kerfoot - Alex Galchenyuk
Mathieu Perreault - Jujhar Khaira - Adam Erne

Morgan Rielly - Chris Tanev
Jake McCabe - Matt Dumba
Mikey Anderson - Niklas Hjalmarsson

Jordan Binnington
Filip Gustavsson

vs



Victor Olofsson - Tyler Seguin - Nikita Kucherov
Anthony Beauvillier - Jack Roslovic - Alex Radulov
Brandon Hagel - Pius Suter - Mason Appleton
Vladislav Namestnikov - Luke Glendening - Jack Studnicka

Josh Morrissey - Colton Parayko
Juuso Valimaki - Dylan DeMelo
Scott Perunovich - Anton Stralman

Marc-Andre Fleury
Dustin Wolf

4




Oliver Bjorkstrand - Tomas Hertl - Mark Stone
Jakub Vrana - Mikael Granlund - Joonas Donskoi
Carl Hagelin - Nick Bonino - Artturi Lehkonen
Rasmus Asplund - Michael McLeod - Philip Tomasino

Roman Josi - Adam Larsson
Cam Fowler - Nick Jensen
Tobias Bjornfot - Henri Jokiharju

Tuukka Rask
Jeremy Swayman

vs



Filip Forsberg - Nicklas Backstrom - Alex Tuch
Andrew Mangiapane - Trevor Zegras - Dustin Brown
Rudolfs Balcers - Lars Eller - Kaapo Kakko
Loui Eriksson - Marco Rossi - Kyle Okposo

Ty Smith - Charlie McAvoy
Derek Forbort - Phillipe Myers
Robert Hagg - P.K. Subban

Ilya Samsonov
Kaapo Kahkonen

5



Marchand - Suzuki - Fiala
Lafreniere - Henrique - Keller
Copp - Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Cousins - Perfetti - A. Nylander

Slavin - Severson
De Haan - Zub
P.O. Joseph - Montour

Bernier
Bobrovsky

vs



Artemi Panarin - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Travis Konecny
Anders Lee - Paul Stastny - Adrian Kempe
Paul Byron - Jason Dickinson - Ondrej Kase
Derick Brassard - Derek Ryan - Tyler Ennis

Jamie Oleksiak - Dougie Hamilton
Noah Hanifin - TJ Brodie
Dmitry Kulikov - Sami Vatanen

Jack Campbell
Frederik Andersen

6



Laine-Barkov-Voracek
Hoffman-Schenn-Yamamoto
Wood-Strome-Kahun
Bjork-Frederic-Lemieux

Ekholm-Klingberg
Matheson-Burns
Oesterle-Lauzon

Ullmark
Jarry

vs



Tyler Bertuzzi - Jonathan Toews - Denis Gurianov
Timo Meier - Jack Hughes - Jordan Kyrou
Nick Ritchie - Boone Jenner - Jesper Fast
Jeff Skinner - Victor Rask - Grigori Denisenko

Ryan Graves - Cale Makar
Quinn Hughes - Justin Braun
Marco Scandella - Jan Rutta

Mackenzie Blackwood
Kevin Lankinen

7



Evander Kane - Brayden Point - Jordan Eberle
Brandon Saad - David Krejci - Jakob Silfverberg
Lawson Crouse - Quinton Byfield - Vinnie Hinostroza
Matt Martin - Casey Cizikas - Cal Clutterbuck

Zach Werenski - Jared Spurgeon
Dmitry Orlov - Kevin Shattenkirk
Radim Simek- Nikita Zadorov

Chris Driedger
Scott Wedgewood

vs



Alex Iafallo / Evgeni Malkin / Teuvo Teravainen
Jaden Schwartz / Anthony Cirelli / Jake Debrusk
Zach Sanford / Kevin Hayes / Vitaly Kravtsov
William Carrier / Mark Jankowski / Jake Evans

Brenden Dillon / Alex Pietrangelo
Torey Krug / Travis Hamonic
Jonas Siegenthaler / Markus Nutivaara

Igor Shestyorkin
Vitek Vanecek

8




Ovechkin - Kopitar - Palmieri
JVR - Trocheck - Sprong
Athanasiou - Pageau - Heinen
Simmonds - Stepan - Bastian

Dahlin -Manson
Skjei - Dobson
Butcher-Ristolainen

Knight
Greiss

vs



Zach Hyman - Sean Couturier - Viktor Arvidsson
Matthew Boldy - Dylan Larkin - Conor Garland
Ilya Mikheyev - Radek Faksa - Corey Perry
Peyton Krebs - Riley Damiani - Alex Barabanov

Hampus Lindholm - MacKenzie Weegar
Brayden McNabb - Filip Hronek
Marc Staal - Ian Cole

Jacob Markstrom
Jonathan Quick

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[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Man, I'm getting beat by a team with Jonathan Quick and Mark Staal haha

 

[Panda Bear]

Man, I'm getting beat by a team with Jonathan Quick and Mark Staal haha

Then imagine how I feel losing to the AHL.

Neither Dubois or Stastny are #1 centres (unlike Suzuki) or even full-time #2 centres (they both got shifted to the wing frequently last season.)

Their bottom six is either old on the downswing, offensive black holes, or someone who should be ineligible in this game due to concussions:

Paul Byron - Jason Dickinson - Ondrej Kase
Derick Brassard - Derek Ryan - Tyler Ennis

And then you look at my bottom six where the third line is a functional second line, and my fourth line a soft minutes third line:

Copp - Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Cousins - Perfetti - A. Nylander

Throw in their old and declining bottom pair in Kulikov-Vatanen and then compare them against POJ-Montour who will both be top four for Florida and Pittsburgh next season. If you don't like De Haan-Zub, pretend they're the third pairing (even though underlying metrics like both of them a lot and they excelled in their shutdown roles last season).

Put all that together, and you have a sad Panda.

 

[Llamamoto]

Then imagine how I feel losing to the AHL.

Neither Dubois or Stastny are #1 centres (unlike Suzuki) or even full-time #2 centres (they both got shifted to the wing frequently last season.)

Their bottom six is either old on the downswing, offensive black holes, or someone who should be ineligible in this game due to concussions:

Paul Byron - Jason Dickinson - Ondrej Kase
Derick Brassard - Derek Ryan - Tyler Ennis

And then you look at my bottom six where the third line is a functional second line, and my fourth line a soft minutes third line:

Copp - Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Cousins - Perfetti - A. Nylander

Throw in their old and declining bottom pair in Kulikov-Vatanen and then compare them against POJ-Montour who will both be top four for Florida and Pittsburgh next season. If you don't like De Haan-Zub, pretend they're the third pairing (even though underlying metrics like both of them a lot and they excelled in their shutdown roles last season).

Put all that together, and you have a sad Panda.

You're not losing tho.

 

[Panda Bear]

You're not losing tho.

I was at the time of writing.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

I am sorry @Ainec I have failed.

 

[5cotland]

Then imagine how I feel losing to the AHL.

Neither Dubois or Stastny are #1 centres (unlike Suzuki) or even full-time #2 centres (they both got shifted to the wing frequently last season.)

Suzuki is not a 1C (yet). Dubois has had 3 great NHL seasons and struggled last season but has played most his career at Center.

Stastny has outperformed Henrique in 5 of the last 6 seasons and has a lot more playoff experience. He has played C nearly his whole career.

Their bottom six is either old on the downswing, offensive black holes, or someone who should be ineligible in this game due to concussions:

Paul Byron - Jason Dickinson - Ondrej Kase
Derick Brassard - Derek Ryan - Tyler Ennis.

And then you look at my bottom six where the third line is a functional second line, and my fourth line a soft minutes third line:

Copp - Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Cousins - Perfetti - A. Nylander

Little to none of your 3rd line could pass as a 2nd line player. Copp maybe but another example of a mid-6 forward with inflated numbers to get a payday. Mittelstadt will likely become top 6 but he isnt yet.

2/3rds your bottom line are very young and based on more on hope with a former high draft pick who is failing to live to expectation and a player who has never played in the league before.

The AHL bottom 6 has a lot of grit and experience.

Throw in their old and declining bottom pair in Kulikov-Vatanen and then compare them against POJ-Montour who will both be top four for Florida and Pittsburgh next season. If you don't like De Haan-Zub, pretend they're the third pairing (even though underlying metrics like both of them a lot and they excelled in their shutdown roles last season).

Put all that together, and you have a sad Panda.

The AHL top 4 defense is stronger. Slavin solid at no.1 on left side but i think AHL is superior in the other 3 out of 4 remaining players.

I gotta say though, you do manage to find away of trying to oversell your team whilst taking cheap shots at your opponent.

 

[Panda Bear]

Suzuki is not a 1C (yet). Dubois has had 3 great NHL seasons and struggled last season but has played most his career at Center.

Stastny has outperformed Henrique in 5 of the last 6 seasons and has a lot more playoff experience. He has played C nearly his whole career.


Little to none of your 3rd line could pass as a 2nd line player. Copp maybe but another example of a mid-6 forward with inflated numbers to get a payday. Mittelstadt will likely become top 6 but he isnt yet.

2/3rds your bottom line are very young and based on more on hope with a former high draft pick who is failing to live to expectation and a player who has never played in the league before.

The AHL bottom 6 has a lot of grit and experience.


The AHL top 4 defense is stronger. Slavin solid at no.1 on left side but i think AHL is superior in the other 3 out of 4 remaining players.

I gotta say though, you do manage to find away of trying to oversell your team whilst taking cheap shots at your opponent.

Suzuki vs Dubois
Suzuki is a number one centre, which is why he has been played as Montreal's #1C since the middle of last season. Refer to playoffs, and then look towards this game being a projection for next season where Suzuki will continue improving. He's already performing as a lower end #1, and again, note that this game is set for the 21-22 playoffs.

Dubois struggled so much that he got relegated to a fourth line winger at times. He had one good season getting carried by Panarin, Atkinson, Werenski and Jones and has been trending down since.

Henrique vs Stastny

Stastny bounced between left wing and centre last season. He's 36 soon.

Henrique posted 0.40 EV PPG while Stastny posted 0.36 EV PPG. Henrique is on a substantially worse team.

Bonus: Henrique posted 11 points in 10 games at the World's where he captained Team Canada.

Third Line
Mittelstadt posted 16 points in 21 games with excellent underlying numbers once Ralph Krueger got fired and will comfortably be recognized as a 2C by the end of next season.

Copp is a second line winger. Not a debate. Nichushkin's possession game is so good that he would be a second line winger for half the teams in the NHL.

Again, compare Copp-Mittelstadt-Nuke to Byron (past it), Dickinson (black hole) and Kase (concussions galore). Huge difference.

Bottom Line
You're right that the bottom line is young. It has a lower floor than his, but the ceiling is way higher.

The Defence
Oleksiak is not better than Severson.

His middle pairing is better, hands up. Mine is a shutdown only affair.

His bottom pairing is declining. POJ is getting a shot with Letang next season and is projected to be a top four player off the bat for Pittsburgh. Montour did fantastic in Florida and re-signed there. By season's end, my bottom pair is likely my middle pair.

 

[hockeynorth]

I would like to move on, should we or should we wait until tomorrow morning (in which case someone else has to do it)