Rumor: FA signings, Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread VI: Goaltending Options?

[s7ark]

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I'd take McDonagh, but none of the other guys.

If you take a look around the league at the top defenders... Karlsson, Subban, Pterangelo/Shattenkirk, Doughty, Keith/Seabrook, Weber, Chara, Letang...

Out of all those teams listed, only the Predators are in dire need of a top forward, and they're not going to give up their captain.

And just analyzing the trades of the ones you mentioned...

Burke bent Sutter over a barrel on the Phaneuf trade. It was a panic deal by the Flames GM because his team was spiraling. Plus the Flames had a "glut of Olympic defensemen".

Jack Johnson was acquired by giving up Carter. With all due respect to Eberle he's not on Carter's level.

The Bouwmeester deal was a pretty light one on the Blues end, especially given that he still had term left on his deal. They still gave up a first and a decent prospect to get him. This would probably be the ideal deal but in my mind Bouwmeester is NOT the player to get you over the top, as the Flames found out.

If you're going to trade for a d-man it better be an established #1 with a few trophies. Campbell might be okay but his cap hit is crazy high and still has a few years left.

Bowemeester is bsically Jeff Petry, a useful player, to be sure, but not a No.1 or even No.2 guy.

I agree. He was vastly overrated and a sign of things to come for people who think poaching players from a loser organization like Florida is a good thing. (Bouwmeester, Ballard, Booth, the list goes on... Horton might be the only exception)

Honestly, it should have some teams thinking for sure.

I disagree with your last statement entirely. So we can't get one of the top 10-15 d-men in the league lets not bother?

The Oilers defense is not good enough. It needs to get better. No, we probably aren't going to get a superstar. But we dont need a superstar we need someone who can give us 25 good minutes a night, every game. Push us over the edge? The Oilers are so far from the summit right now that we just need someone who can get us moving upward.

I already listed 10 defensemen that were better than Campbell. Never mind Yandle/OEL, Suter, Edler, Byufglien... Campbell is not a top 15 defenseman in this league and he's not worth 7+ for the next three years.

I'm not saying don't try, but I'm VERY wary about picking up anything that was in a Florida Panthers uniform.

If the deal is there go for it but I don't think it's going to happen this early in the season unless teams start to panic.

Who do you think they can trade for realistically? IMHo, we are looking at older players in the twilight of career (Boyle, Markov, Timonen, Campbell) or younger guys who are not really top pairing material (Orpik, Coburn, L.Schenn, Gunnarson etc). Both types will cost a lot. How does Eberle for Coburn and a 2nd round pick sound? That's what it will take, I am afraid.
IMHO, we'd be better off moving J.Schultz for a better rounded defenseman in the off-season (Coburn, Gunnarson) and hope that Nurse/Klefbom can step right in and provide some offence.

Petry-Smid
Coburn-Ference
Nurse-Klefbom

will be a lot better than what we have currently.

Trading JS could blow up in MacT's face. Schultz should continue to develop his defensive game under Smith and Eakins for the next few years. He only just turned 23 in July, and he hasn't even played the equivalent of a full season in the NHL. He's the guy currently on our roster who is most likely to become an elite offensive defenseman. Most young, offensive-minded defenseman do also struggle in their own zone, ask Glen Sather about Paul Coffey.

In 10 more games, I'd say we'll have a fairly good indication of where Belov is at as well. He's got a lot of nice tools on display in the few games he's played: hard and accurate shot, good gap control and nice vision for quick break-out passes.

I think you are dreaming if you think J.Schultz can ever be adequate defender at the NHL level. He's probably one of the weakest players in the league and at 23 (turning 24 next year) one has to wonder how much bigger and stronger he can get. He probably will score 50 points at some point in his career, but also will cost plenty of goals against, if he plays 25 minutes a night. In the ideal world, he should see a lot of PP time, no PK time and very sheltered minutes ES. He's a bottom pairing PP specialist right now, who's being miscast as No.1 d-man.

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[ohheyhemsky]

So, uh, can we trade for Hertl?

 

[Moonlapse Vertigo]

Why? Did he score 8 points in a game or something?

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Why? Did he score 8 points in a game or something?

I think it was clear that my post was sarcastic, but even so, the kid has been unreal. That 4th goal of the night tonight was just nuts.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

Why on earth are people talking about trading J.Schultz in his second season. Jeez, give him some time to develop his defensive game, not to mention he still needs time to adjust to an entire new coaching system.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I think it was clear that my post was sarcastic, but even so, the kid has been unreal. That 4th goal of the night tonight was just nuts.

It was talented but it was made possible by the fact the Rangers clearly gave up. Just disgusting on the Rangers side.

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

Why on earth are people talking about trading J.Schultz in his second season. Jeez, give him some time to develop his defensive game, not to mention he still needs time to adjust to an entire new coaching system.

Tomorrow they will be packaging him with Eberle

 

[ohheyhemsky]

It was talented but it was made possible by the fact the Rangers clearly gave up. Just disgusting on the Rangers side.

Which his other three goals helped lend a hand towards. What'ta beast.

Any who, blah blah blah, let's trade Eberle, let's trade Schultz.

If I were a GM, if I wasn't able to move the peripheral parts around the kids to add to the team, the only things I'd ever trade this early in the season are our assets (prospects/draft picks).

That said, it is early, and they won't have nearly the same value.

 

[Hockey Buddha]

Originally posted by tiger_80:
I think you are dreaming if you think J.Schultz can ever be adequate defender at the NHL level. He's probably one of the weakest players in the league and at 23 (turning 24 next year) one has to wonder how much bigger and stronger he can get. He probably will score 50 points at some point in his career, but also will cost plenty of goals against, if he plays 25 minutes a night. In the ideal world, he should see a lot of PP time, no PK time and very sheltered minutes ES. He's a bottom pairing PP specialist right now, who's being miscast as No.1 d-man.

His lack of size makes precisely my point. Currently, he's 6'2, 188 lbs, and he'll get stronger as he puts on more mass as he matures as an adult. He's got another 4-5 years of development as a defenseman until he's entering his prime. You are writing him off incredibly early, despite the fact that he has an awesome skill set offensively. Your proposition of trading him seems premature to say the least. He's a marketable commodity, because he's got an enormously high ceiling. It would be a mistake to trade him.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

Tomorrow they will be packaging him with Eberle

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

Love that jpg

 

[Joey Moss]

I think it was clear that my post was sarcastic, but even so, the kid has been unreal. That 4th goal of the night tonight was just nuts.

I'm still amazed. What a performance.. The Sharks are always fun to watch.

 

[s7ark]

Why on earth are people talking about trading J.Schultz in his second season. Jeez, give him some time to develop his defensive game, not to mention he still needs time to adjust to an entire new coaching system.

Well he has played 51 NHL games. He's obviously the player that he is, and there is no chance he'll improve in his own zone. And the 29p he has in those 51 games don't really matter.

 

[s7ark]

I think it was clear that my post was sarcastic, but even so, the kid has been unreal. That 4th goal of the night tonight was just nuts.

Omark did that move forever ago. You can't embed youtube videos at specific times so I'll just have to post the link.

Hmm for some reason that link won't skip ahead to the right time.

3:57 of this video

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

Well he has played 51 NHL games. He's obviously the player that he is, and there is no chance he'll improve in his own zone. And the 29p he has in those 51 games don't really matter.

Really? I disagree I think he'll improve on his defensive positioning as he gets more exposed to difficult situations like last night.

edit: I went full Pejorative Slur.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Really? I disagree I think he'll improve on his defensive positioning as he gets more exposed to difficult situations like last night.

Um, he was being heavily sarcastic.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

Um, he was being heavily sarcastic.

haha I knew something was weird. I was trying to read his post on my tiny phone screen while watching some highlight and it just blew past me.

 

[Hockey Nightmare]

People can be such idjits on this board, my sarcasm detector no longer works.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

People can be such idjits on this board, my sarcasm detector no longer works.

This I pretty much need the sarcasm emoticon to comprehend any kind of sarcasm no matter how obvious.

 

[oilphan]

Amazing what a bit of confidence can do. I was just thinking how we could have built a pretty good line of FA and waiver acquisitions - Jokinen-Brunner-Raymond. All three are lighting it up.

 

[joestevens29]

The whole McKenzie thing on the Oilers open to acquiring a d-man doesn't seem like news to me. Did anyone really think MacT wasn't going to be looking at adding those pieces that he missed out on during the summer? Reading the piece on TSN it just doesn't scream to me that MacT is in panic mode and will do something soon, more he is still looking to upgrade his team as are a lot of GM's.

 

[Wheathead]

This is probably the best place to ask this... but whatever happened to that "wow" trade that Stauffer has been talking about for the last year and a half?

Seemed like whenever interest in this club has waned, he brought up the possibility of that "wow" trade.

So is Stauffer full of ****, or did the "wow" trade pass them by when the Luongo/Schneider issue was dealt with?

 

[dssource]

The whole McKenzie thing on the Oilers open to acquiring a d-man doesn't seem like news to me. Did anyone really think MacT wasn't going to be looking at adding those pieces that he missed out on during the summer? Reading the piece on TSN it just doesn't scream to me that MacT is in panic mode and will do something soon, more he is still looking to upgrade his team as are a lot of GM's.

I think that article was written for leaf fans. It's a bunch of BS just to feed people something so they can go off on it. Did you see some of the trade rumors? Yak+ for Remier and Gardiner...really? Like c'mon! We def don't need another young d-man here, reimer is questionably a better goalie than Dubnyk and I def wouldn't risk Yak on that question. Big time pass and Bob Mac, keep your mouth shut!

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Anyone talking about trading J. Schultz (unless we are adding +++ for an elite #1 like Doughty, Weber, Pietro etc.) should shake their head.

He controlled the play so well on our first two goals of that comeback game. He is already a #1 guy in terms of QBing the Powerplay. His speed suits our team so well, and he now has a huge advantage for us when it comes to hybrid icing.

While he still has work to do in his own end (and he will grow in the area), he is still usually the first man to the puck when it is chipped in.

I still can't wait to see him and Nurse as a pairing one day.

 

[doulos]

I love Justin Schultz and in no way want him traded, but his defense is not just suspect, but horrific. One of the worst in the league in his own end. Really hope he can get it figured out..