Speculation: Expendable Prospects
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Holden Caulfield
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Every team has a Cormier type in their cupboard. The problem with this board, not just the Jets but all teams, is that most prospect systems are about 80% the same. Some teams have more high-end prospects, or are more effective at developing young players, but the talent levels are more or less equal. Cormier has nothing that other team's don't already have in their system. People feel that their prospects at this level are "better" than the ones in the other systems.
Rather than being an expendable prospect, he's one of many that's probably not good enough to carve out a decent NHL career, or even a floundering one. He's call-up depth that eventually gets swapped for other call-up depth for a prospect. There are quite a few prospects that are in the same position, like Melchiori, or Chiarot, or Klingberg, that are tweeners at best. They have no trade bait value apart from very late round picks, so you trade them to pick a much younger player who has an overwhelmingly high chance to turn out just like the guy they traded away.
Rather than being an expendable prospect, he's one of many that's probably not good enough to carve out a decent NHL career, or even a floundering one. He's call-up depth that eventually gets swapped for other call-up depth for a prospect. There are quite a few prospects that are in the same position, like Melchiori, or Chiarot, or Klingberg, that are tweeners at best. They have no trade bait value apart from very late round picks, so you trade them to pick a much younger player who has an overwhelmingly high chance to turn out just like the guy they traded away.
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Cormier can replace Slater when he ends up missing half the year to injuries. I could see him being the fourth line center next season. He's fantastic on face offs.
cheswick
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No one wants Cormier. You said yourself he can't make the Jets who have an abysmal bottom end. If he was 4 years younger maybe, at this point you kind of know what you'll get. The guy is a journeyman AHLer. Has pretty much no trade value. Guys like him are waiver wire fodder.
Hunter368
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True, he might be able to do that, but then again ideally we want more from our 4th line. Maybe
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Cormier has had sufficient chances and done absolutely nothing. I don't know why he was even invited to camp, honestly. He is in no way a prospect. Or at least I certainly hope not.
sipowicz
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Yeah the 4-5 minutes he got in games playing with Thornburn, Wright, Tangradi, Peluso or what other slug was on the 4th line at the time should have garnered him a couple points per game (at least)!
cheswick
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Yeah the 4-5 minutes he got in games playing with Thornburn, Wright, Tangradi, Peluso or what other slug was on the 4th line at the time should have garnered him a couple points per game (at least)!
He scored about twice as many points per minute played last year than O'Dell did.
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Yeah the 4-5 minutes he got in games playing with Thornburn, Wright, Tangradi, Peluso or what other slug was on the 4th line at the time should have garnered him a couple points per game (at least)!
49 NHL games, 1 goal, 5 points over several years and never did much in the AHL either. He has shown that he is a relatively safe player to insert in case of injury. A professional player. That's about it.
Samcanadian
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Garret would show the corsi numbers, but I'm ok with him being a stop-gap (i.e. doesn't hurt the team) even if it means he's not helping the team score goals.
4th line bangers with good corsi can at least lower the chances against, right?
Samcanadian
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Heck, if you're going to use Corsi, using it on 4th line players is a decent idea. Why not take the importance of "Intangibles" away considering they're not doing much of anything but banging and trying to prevent scoring chances? If they're skating around at 50% corsi the entire year, I think that's a win.
The problem is that even though our prospect cupboard is now refilled, our active roster is still below average. That means, we will basically be pulling one or two prospects out to replace 1 or 2 roster players for the next few seasons as well. Only once we have a very good competitive team will we begin to see an abundance of "expendable prospects" that have some trade value that we could afford to trade. For now, any of our top prospects need to be groomed to be graduated to improve our actual roster.
Channelcat
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The majority of players have no trade value. Trade value comes with draft picks, high quality prospects and other players who are deemed to be have fair contracts. Our only "trade bait" is the guys we don't want to lose like Trouba, Scheifs, Lowry, Morrissey. Even decent prospects like Comrie, Kosmo, Petan would have little to no trade value.
