The Flat Cap is what is going to make you guys good off the bat and/or a ton of quality prospects and draft picks. Not that you will take or get Burns from the Sharks, but if you did they would have to add a few picks and a quality kid that they already drafted in the AHL or still in Junior... That is one area where I dont think Vegas did anything.... Kids drafted in the last 1-2 years are closer than any draft pick...If I am Seattle, yes get a few extra 1st and 2nd round picks, but also get some A and B quality kids in the AHL or still in Juniors that were drafted in 19 and 20! So for example, would Ron Francis take Burns, plus their 1st round pick and lets say C Sasha Chmelevski and G Alexei Melnichuk?
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Zero chance the Sharks offer or accept that kind of package. They need quality prospects as it is and that trade completely raids the cupboard.
RainyCityHockey
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Yea, the flat cap will help us but you can just clearly see that teams have had 2 1/2 years to prepare for it(while also experience with the Vegas draft) and were able to put together rosters that mostly won't have them in danger of losing too much.
The trade you just mentioned is certainly something we should be looking at but I doubt that Sharks are a good example for that.
Unless they have a bounce back season they're on a rebuild themselves and certainly wouldn't be interested in giving away prospects or draft picks for just cap relief.
themelkman
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The only situation I foresee with Burns going is Seattle just taking Burns as their pick. The sharks dont need to protect anyone else, and Burns is not a bad player or really even on the decline yet. We would only do it for the cap relief and the fact that we have a Burns replacement in the wings who needs opportunity.
Valid points....Sharks are a bad example for this, would have been better to look at the 5-10 cup contending teams that would love some addtl. Cap space.
Fistfullofbeer
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Personally, I don't think taking on any player whose contract is expiring after they are 35 is a good idea for us. Burns will be 36 by the time the 2021-22 season starts and has another 4 years on his contract at 8M AAV.
And yeah, I think we need to target teams that are contending right now and just need some relief. Leafs, Lightning are two teams that come to mind.
RainyCityHockey
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Just tried another expansion draft with Cap Friendly's simulator and came up with this.
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It would meet the requirements of at least 20 players being under contract for 2021-22 and would be over the cap floor with $67.7 mil.
We could then flip some of those players to other teams and use the remaining money to re-sign the RFA's we want while still having some fllexibility in free agency.
Having that flexibility in Free Agency would also be needed, because the team(as constructed) would be really thin at C.
Also, Johnson, van Riemsdyk and Oshie would only be drafted if their teams gave us prospects/picks on top of it.
How would your team look like?
| Team | Player | Age | Position | Salary | Contract |
| Anaheim | Sonny Milano | 25 | LW | $1.7 | (RFA 2022) |
| Arizona | Kyle Capobianco | 24 | D | $750K | (RFA 2022) |
| Boston | Jeremy Lauzon | 24 | RD | $850K | (RFA 2022) |
| Buffalo | Collin Miller | 29 | RD | $3.875 | (UFA 2022) |
| Calgary | Sam Bennett | 25 | LW/C | $2.55 | (RFA 2021) |
| Carolina | Jake Bean | 23 | LD | $860K | (RFA 2021) |
| Chicago | Nikita Zadorov | 26 | LD/RD | $3.2 | (RFA 2021) |
| Colorado | Devon Toews | 27 | LD | $4.1 | (UFA 2024) |
| Columbus | Dean Kukan | 28 | RD | $1.65 | (UFA 2022) |
| Dallas | Julius Honka | 25 | RD | $700K | (RFA 2021) |
| Detroit | Givani Smith | 23 | LW | $714K | (RFA 2021) |
| Edmonton | Caleb Jones | 24 | LD | $850K | (RFA 2022) |
| Florida | Radko Goudas | 31 | RD | $2.5 | (UFA 2023) |
| Los Angeles | Martin Frk | 28 | LW | $725K | (UFA 2022) |
| Minnesota | Jordan Greenway | 24 | LW | $2.1 | (RFA 2022) |
| Montreal | Jake Allen | 31 | G | $2.85 | (UFA 2023) |
| Nashville | Connor Ingram | 24 | G | $733K | (RFA 2023) |
| New Jersey | Miles Wood | 26 | LW | $2.75 | (RFA 2022) |
| New York Islanders | Scott Mayfield | 29 | RD | $1.45 | (UFA 2023) |
| New York Rangers | Brendan Lemieux | 25 | LW | $1.55 | (RFA 2022) |
| Ottawa | Filip Chlapik | 24 | C | $735K | (RFA 2021) |
| Philadelphia | James van Riemsdyk | 32 | LW | $7.0 | (UFA 2023) |
| Pittsburgh | Jared McCann | 25 | LW | $2.94 | (RFA 2022) |
| San Jose | Maxim Letunov | 25 | C | $700K | (RFA 2021) |
| St. Louis | Sammy Blais | 25 | LW/RW | $1.5 | (RFA 2022) |
| Tampa Bay | Tyler Johnson | 31 | LW | $5.0 | (UFA 2024) |
| Toronto | Travis Dermott | 24 | LD | $875K | (RFA 2021) |
| Vancouver | Braden Holtby | 31 | G | $4.3 | (UFA 2022) |
| Washington | T.J. Oshie | 34 | RW/C | $5.75 | (UFA 2025) |
| Winnipeg | Mason Appleton | 25 | RW/C | $900K | (RFA 2022) |
It would meet the requirements of at least 20 players being under contract for 2021-22 and would be over the cap floor with $67.7 mil.
We could then flip some of those players to other teams and use the remaining money to re-sign the RFA's we want while still having some fllexibility in free agency.
Having that flexibility in Free Agency would also be needed, because the team(as constructed) would be really thin at C.
Also, Johnson, van Riemsdyk and Oshie would only be drafted if their teams gave us prospects/picks on top of it.
How would your team look like?
With a flat cap, I would just say to be careful about taking guys in their early 30's who are already declining in production. That's not a good sign, and that would include Washington natives Oshie and Johnson given both have term until 2024 and 2025.
Seattle won't see as many teams stuck with a NMC as Vegas saw. Teams have been preparing for that. Plus, I don't see teams going out of their way to protect a single player.
Where Seattle benefits, is the flat cap and teams making middle 6 players available whereas in the Vegas ED, they would have protected them, but with a flat cap teams have to think about getting cap space to pay their own RFA.
So, for any player making $5 mill or so in cap costs, Seattle should press the other team to give up an asset to have them take the player in the ED. With a flat cap Seattle can still go sign players in free agency. So that is the leverage point Seattle should use to gain more assets.
UnkleKraker
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The Avs just traded for and signed a 4 year contract with Toews. I don't think they are doing that just to expose him in the XD.
RainyCityHockey
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Do you have any specific players which could be available because of this?
Also, like I've said Oshie, Johnson and van Riemsdyk would only be considered if their teams would give us a nice sweetener to take those contracts.
If not then there are other good options to choose from on their respective teams.
I protected Johnson(NMC), Makar and Girard and went 7-3-1 for them.
So unless Johnson waives his NMC or they go 4-4-1 it will be really hard for them to keep all the guys they want to retain.
Though, maybe they could make a treade with us to keep Toews in this scenario.
Another option could be if Landeskog(will be an UFA next summer) is OK with being exposed and tells outright he only wants to play for the Avs.
That would give Colorado a better chance to go 4-4-1.
But even then we could still get a guy like Ryan Graves for our blueline.
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RainyCityHockey
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I actually don't like any of the picks they make.
Price especially makes no sense at all cause the Habs won't expose him, while he also has an NMC, and I also wouldn't like a 34 year old goalie with $10.5 AAV for five more years.
UnkleKraker
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Most likely Graves, Jost, or Compher. The feeling is that EJ will waive or be bought out although it is not something Sakic is know to do. It will be interesting.
themelkman
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I was looking at the expansion simulator today and I noticed all the best picks for Seattle are D men. I wonder if they would think about taking an abundance of young D men like Bean, Kylington, Dunn etc and then think about dealing them to teams for some good forwards and prospects and picks.
Fistfullofbeer
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That would be the smart thing to do. I think you go BPA in both the expansion draft as well as 2021 draft. Need to set realistic expectations and not think that we are going to be Vegas 2.0 in the 2021-22 season. Just got to build out for the future.
I think the flat cap helps us in a lot of ways.
- Teams willing to expose good players with decent cap hits because the team is against the cap and/or has looming RFA contracts.
- Teams willing to expose good players who are slightly overpaid with some kind of sweetener(s).
- We have more flexibility with giving contracts to FA's. That and no state income tax.
Load up on the best players available in the expansion draft and then move them to other teams.
themelkman
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Wouldnt that only help them if they choose to live outside the city? I thought Seattle itself had a pretty high income tax
RainyCityHockey
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I completely agree.
Looking at what Vegas achieved right out of the gate makes no sense and most fans also don't seem to do that anyways.
There've been polls about what people expect and it's more along the lines of young, fast players mixed with a couple of veterans to lead them.
While looking at the rosters you can clearly see teams had way more time to prepare(and knowledge, just thinking about the minimal number of NMC's handed out currently) and there are some teams with a brutal list of exposed players for us to choose from.
That's why going younger(and cheaper) makes the most sense IMO, especially given that we could try and sign some players in free agency afterwards, which is something Francis has said we want to be a player in.
So I'd like a mix of younger guys and a couple of veterans and I'd mostly want us to make those veterans count, meaning that we should take two to four higher paid guys during the expansion draft while being rewarded with prospects and picks for that.
We should also load up on talented players we might be able to trade for something else and looking at the current lists I think we could easily load up on talented blueliners and trade them after the expansion draft.
Also:
Even with all the success they had so far, no one looked at that Vegas roster after the expansion draft(or even before the season started) and said that's a playoff team with aspirations for more.
Good question.
Over here in Germany you always pay your income taxes to the state you're living in and I would think it's the same way in the States.
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JelloPuddyPops
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Seattle doesn’t have an income tax. There is a quasi-head tax on companies with employees making over x-amount. But there is no income tax in Seattle.
RainyCityHockey
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Sound of Hockey also has a series for the expansion draft written by Andy Eide.
They're going from worst to best record of last season and so far they've done those teams.
Detroit
Ottawa
San Jose
Los Angeles
Anaheim
They're going from worst to best record of last season and so far they've done those teams.
Detroit
Ottawa
San Jose
Los Angeles
Anaheim
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brewski420
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No state income tax is offset by higher sales tax and real estate taxes (in comparison to states with income taxes) along with the business tax mentioned. Those vary by county and even by locality with the counties other than King being lower. The cost of rents or real estate in Seattle area are significantly higher than most other cities excepting a few in the NHL however.
The lure of no state income tax is offset by these factors somewhat but can still be a factor in FA possibilities imo having lived in several metro areas around the country including Seattle area.
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RainyCityHockey
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Another information.
Mats Zuccarello of the Minnesota Wild has been ruled out for the upcoming season and therefore will be excempt from the expansion draft.
That's pretty big news because Zuccarello has an NMC in his contract and would've needed to be protected otherwise.
BTW: Here's another try at an expansion draft of mine.
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I've again loaded up on defense which makes sense with the options available and the possibility to flip a couple of those players later on.
Strome, Tierney and Turris would also be solid down the middle, but it's lacking on the wings.
Overall this team would be at $57.8 mil(which would change with trades and extensions) and would give us solid goaltending and a good blueline while also leaving enough cap space to try and sign a forward or two.
Mats Zuccarello of the Minnesota Wild has been ruled out for the upcoming season and therefore will be excempt from the expansion draft.
That's pretty big news because Zuccarello has an NMC in his contract and would've needed to be protected otherwise.
BTW: Here's another try at an expansion draft of mine.
| Team | Player | Position | Salary | Contract |
| Anaheim | Sonnie Milano | LW | $1.7 | RFA 2022 |
| Arizona | Kyle Capobianco | RD | $775K | RFA 2022 |
| Boston | Anderes Bjork | LW | $1.6 | RFA 2023 |
| Buffalo | Colin Miller | RD | $3.875 | UFA 2022 |
| Calgary | Dillon Dube | RW | $778K | RFA 2021 |
| Carolina | Haydn Fleury | LD/RD | $1.3 | RFA 2022 |
| Chicago | Nikita Zadorov | LD/RD | $3.2 | RFA 2021 |
| Colorado | Ryan Graves | LD | $3.166 | UFA 2023 |
| Columbus | Matiss Kivlenieks | Goalie | $725K | RFA 2022 |
| Dallas | Jamie Oleksiak | LD | $2.137 | UFA 2021 |
| Detroit | Givani Smith | LW | $714K | RFA 2021 |
| Edmonton | Kyle Turris | C | $1.65 | UFA 2022 |
| Florida | Markus Nutivaara | RD | $2.7 | UFA 2022 |
| Los Angeles | Martin Frk | RW | $725K | UFA 2022 |
| Minnesota | Nico Sturm | C | $725K | UFA 2022 |
| Montreal | Jake Allen | Goalie | $2.885 | UFA 2023 |
| Nashville | Connor Ingram | Goalie | $733K | RFA 2023 |
| New Jersey | Nick Merkely | C | $874K | RFA 2021 |
| New York Islanders | Scott Mayfield | RD | $1.45 | UFA 2023 |
| New York Rangers | Ryan Strome | C | $4.5 | UFA 2022 |
| Ottawa | Chris Tierney | C | $3.5 | UFA 2022 |
| Philadelphia | Nicolas Aube-Kubel | RW | $1.075 | RFA 2022 |
| Pittsburgh | Teddy Blueger | C | $750K | RFA 2021 |
| San Jose | Radim Simek | LD | $2.25 | UFA 2024 |
| St. Louis | Samuel Blais | RW | $1.5 | RFA 2022 |
| Tampa Bay | Cal Foote | RD | $925K | RFA 2021 |
| Toronto | Travis Dermott | LD | $874K | RFA 2021 |
| Vancouver | Braden Holtby | Goalie | $4.3 | UFA 2022 |
| Washington | T.J. Oshie | RW | $5.75 | UFA 2025 |
| Winnipeg | Mason Appleton | RW | $900K | RFA 2022 |
I've again loaded up on defense which makes sense with the options available and the possibility to flip a couple of those players later on.
Strome, Tierney and Turris would also be solid down the middle, but it's lacking on the wings.
Overall this team would be at $57.8 mil(which would change with trades and extensions) and would give us solid goaltending and a good blueline while also leaving enough cap space to try and sign a forward or two.
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Is there something official from the Wild on this? No, nothing...it's just nonsense.
He could be ready to play in mid to late January.
RainyCityHockey
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My bad.
I read somewhere he could be out for the season.
So that would actually be a good thing for us for the expansion draft.
Honestly with the flat cap you could probably extort picks out of almost every team while taking the guy you planned on anyways. I'm excited to see how it all comes together.
I think it's easily possible you end up with more 1st round picks than Vegas did.
I think it's easily possible you end up with more 1st round picks than Vegas did.
Here's the question does Seattle attempt to leverage out 2022 draft picks instead of 2021 draft picks?
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