Online Series: Evil Genius (Netflix Original)
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It's so bizarre and at least some of the early footage especially of the stand off is so very creepy and then also heartbreaking imo, surprised more aren't talking about it yet!
WeThreeKings
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Watched it.. really liked it. Although, yeah, there's some graphic footage in it which makes you sick to your stomach.
Very, very messed up.. some absolute criminal brilliance mixed with just a lack of common sense.. a lot of mystery remains but I think I have it figured out based on what was confessed and all the other circumstantial evidence/commentary.
Very, very messed up.. some absolute criminal brilliance mixed with just a lack of common sense.. a lot of mystery remains but I think I have it figured out based on what was confessed and all the other circumstantial evidence/commentary.
silverfish
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No facts. Just speculation. OD'd. No foul play involved.
My speculation is that it's likely he knew something, felt guilty, accidentally OD'd? Not sure.
Agree with @WeThreeKings that it's pretty easy to draw the conclusion, but hard to prove.
The number $250,000 was thrown around way too much to be coincidence. Rothstein wanted that for his house. Barnes asked MDA for that amount to off her father. The bank robbery was supposed to be for $250K. Another number that popped twice was Barnes asking for $100K up front from MDA, and that number was also in the instructions for Wells.
WeThreeKings
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My guess is that he was a junky who OD'ed and the tipping point was that he was working the same day as Brian and could have gotten the call (though he didn't know at the time that he was somewhat in on it/manipulated and lied to about his part to play in it). Survivor's guilt mixed with drug addiction is a deadly combination.
Randy Butternubs
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Watched it and really enjoyed it. Felt really bad for Brian Wells's family...
Also, living in Erie for 8 years made all of those locations extremely familiar. Hell, I lived just blocks from that Federal Courthouse.
They made Erie look much nicer than it is.
Also, living in Erie for 8 years made all of those locations extremely familiar. Hell, I lived just blocks from that Federal Courthouse.
They made Erie look much nicer than it is.
WeThreeKings
Habs cup - its in the BAG
So, for those who watched it.. what was your interpretation, here's mine:
Rothstein, Diehl-Armstrong obviously coordinated the whole thing. Rothstein created the bomb, Diehl-Armstrong manipulated those who were involved and got the drug dealer to be a part of it. Diehl-Armstrong's boyfriend was definitely supposed to be a part of it but got cold feet which is why they killed him. Brian Wells was recruited by the Prostitute to help in exchange for crack. I do believe that Brian Wells was in on it to the point that he was going to be an accomplice but didn't know the bomb was real. I believe the statement of the two cell-mates who said that Diehl-Armstrong had said "It's not like we didn't measure Brian Well's neck for the bomb". Somewhere along the line they decided he would be a loose end that needed to be tied up so they went with a real bomb.
The scavenger hunt designed for the keys shows that it was entirely pre-meditated for Brian to be a part of it since in the first episode his landlord said he loved trying to solve them in the newspaper and got really close once. Brian looked like a lonely guy, indulging in prostitutes, and was likely easily manipulated and lied to. He definitely didn't know the bomb was real because of how he acted in the bank and how he reacted and demeanor changed when the timer started clicking on the collar bomb.
The stupidity comes in how they thought they were ever going to get the money from Brian. They did not get that part of the plan correct at all.. even the police (though I don't know if I believe them since they seemed severely incompetent) said he would have never survived if he did the scavenger hunt. I'm no law enforcement officer but on the off chance that this guy was correct, I would have dispatched a group of officers to each location for the keys.. not only to maybe catch who is waiting in those locations to get the money from Brian, but also to toss those keys at Brian.. at worst, he unlocks the bomb.. at most he detonates it and you stay at a safe distance with guns drawn as what happened in the end.
The scavenger hunt designed for the keys shows that it was entirely pre-meditated for Brian to be a part of it since in the first episode his landlord said he loved trying to solve them in the newspaper and got really close once. Brian looked like a lonely guy, indulging in prostitutes, and was likely easily manipulated and lied to. He definitely didn't know the bomb was real because of how he acted in the bank and how he reacted and demeanor changed when the timer started clicking on the collar bomb.
The stupidity comes in how they thought they were ever going to get the money from Brian. They did not get that part of the plan correct at all.. even the police (though I don't know if I believe them since they seemed severely incompetent) said he would have never survived if he did the scavenger hunt. I'm no law enforcement officer but on the off chance that this guy was correct, I would have dispatched a group of officers to each location for the keys.. not only to maybe catch who is waiting in those locations to get the money from Brian, but also to toss those keys at Brian.. at worst, he unlocks the bomb.. at most he detonates it and you stay at a safe distance with guns drawn as what happened in the end.
Randy Butternubs
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Anyone else think that old MDA was hotter than young MDA?
Also, damn, her dad seems like a great guy.
Also, damn, her dad seems like a great guy.
WeThreeKings
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Anyone else think that old MDA was hotter than young MDA?
Also, damn, her dad seems like a great guy.
I didn't think she was ever good looking.. they kept saying it like it was true but I don't agree.
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She looked good once, in 1984 when she was tried for killing the first husband/boyfriend.
Randy Butternubs
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The scene where he seemingly realized the bomb was real gave me a very sad feeling for the guy even though I suspect he was initially in on it
silverfish
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I think...
MDA's dad is the real MVP though.
MDA and Rothstein were the masterminds, and manipulated everyone else involved. MDA knew she could plan it with his help, Rothstein knew he could build the bomb. I think the $250K was for Rothstein's estate, and MDA would get a piece of it after realizing her dad wasn't going to leave her any $.
I bet MDA wanted Barnes in on it as a patsy or a third body, of sorts. So she went to him like, hey, kill my dad. Barnes talking about $250K is too much of a coincidence here, but they made such a point of making MDA and Rothstein so much smarter than everyone else that it wouldn't surprise me if she "incepted" Barnes in a way to make him think that $250k was run of the mill.
I believe Hoopsick when she says she got Wells involved. I believe Wells never believed the bomb was real until the timer started going off. I believe Wells only got involved out of a love for Hoopsick.
Eerie PA did a miserable job. When the guy is like: "Oh, that's weird, there's a van at the dropoff site. Let me do NOTHING about this". Are you serious?
I think when Rothstein realized that MDA killed Roden, he was like... oh shit, I gotta get ahead of this crazy person, and then started becoming the informant
I bet MDA wanted Barnes in on it as a patsy or a third body, of sorts. So she went to him like, hey, kill my dad. Barnes talking about $250K is too much of a coincidence here, but they made such a point of making MDA and Rothstein so much smarter than everyone else that it wouldn't surprise me if she "incepted" Barnes in a way to make him think that $250k was run of the mill.
I believe Hoopsick when she says she got Wells involved. I believe Wells never believed the bomb was real until the timer started going off. I believe Wells only got involved out of a love for Hoopsick.
Eerie PA did a miserable job. When the guy is like: "Oh, that's weird, there's a van at the dropoff site. Let me do NOTHING about this". Are you serious?
I think when Rothstein realized that MDA killed Roden, he was like... oh shit, I gotta get ahead of this crazy person, and then started becoming the informant
MDA's dad is the real MVP though.
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WeThreeKings
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He was definitely in on it in some capacity and was told the bomb wasn't real. Just a show piece to help the robbery.
Something I may have missed.. was it explained why the big guy suddenly called in to report the frozen body. That began the (seemingly self-induced) breaking open of the bank robbery case, no ?
Did it mention or elaborate on how his relationship rapidly altered, to where he deliberately put MDA (& himself) in the cross hairs of law enforcement.. before his call, they weren't suspects in the bank robbery yet we're they (?)
Did it mention or elaborate on how his relationship rapidly altered, to where he deliberately put MDA (& himself) in the cross hairs of law enforcement.. before his call, they weren't suspects in the bank robbery yet we're they (?)
chicagoskycam
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He said he didn't kill him and just tried to help. I think the cops kinda of hit it on the head in that he thought he could outsmart anyone. I think he was more so pissed at her.
As far as Wells being in on it. Maybe convinced to do it but he is so calm and collected grabbing a lollypop in the bank. Maybe he doesn't think it's a real bomb but you're still in the act of a bank robbery. He seemed to freak out quite a bit when it started beeping though.
74, yeah Rothstein was obviously angry @ her to report the dead body.. What I'm getting at, is they were co-conspirators days before he reported the unknown (to law enforcement) frozen corpse. And there was no heat on them yet for the bank bomb..
What flipped his switch to suddenly start engaging in reckless, self-incriminating behavior. Did the documentary elaborate or theorize on that.. bcuz I may have just missed it (?)
If not, what say HFers on Rothstein's behavior (?) Was it simply guilty conscience (?)
WeThreeKings
Habs cup - its in the BAG
Speculation from the documentary was that he knew he was sick (the cancer that killed him) so that could have changed his mind.. or, since he was so infatuated with her, and her boyfriend died, but nothing happened following that.. that maybe he decided to get in front of her.
silverfish
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Pure speculation: But I can't imagine that the conversations between MDA and Rothstein were super cheery following how poorly the heist went. Maybe they got in a fight, and Rothstein was like, okay f*** this, I have her dead boyfriend in my freezer, let me act cool to the cops about this, paint her as a psycho, and put her in the spotlight.
Also: What are the odds that all three of these people, MDA, Rothstein, and Barnes are all classic hoarders?
Randy Butternubs
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chicagoskycam
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MDA's house was so disgusting. I still think Rothstein thought he was so smart he could get out of it.
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