Evgeni Malkin vs Peter Forsberg

[Felidae]

Bolded are players they finished ahead of in hart, point or PPG finishes.

Who's the better player?



Evgeni Malkin

GP 706 G 328 A 504 P 832

Awards
Smythe
2 Art Ross
Hart
Pearson

Hart finishes: 2, 2

Hart competition
2007-08: Ovechkin, Iginla, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Thornton
2008-09: Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Mason, Parise, Crosby
2011-12: Stamkos, Lundqvist, Giroux, Quick, Spezza


Points
2007-08 NHL 106 (2nd) Ovechkin, Iginla, Datsyuk, Thornton,
2008-09 NHL 113 (1st) Ovechkin, Crosby, Datsyuk, Parise
2011-12 NHL 109 (1st) Stamkos, Giroux, Spezza, Kovalchuk

PPG
2007-08 NHL 1.29 (3rd) Ovechkin, Crosby, Alfredsson, Zetterberg
2008-09 NHL 1.38 (2nd) Ovechkin, Crosby, Semin, Datsyuk
2009-10 NHL 1.15 (8th)
2011-12 NHL 1.45 (1st) Giroux, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, Spezza
2013-14 NHL 1.20 (2nd) Crosby, Getzlaf, Tavares, Hall
2014-15 NHL 1.01 (7th)
2015-16 NHL 1.02 (4th) Kane, Benn, Crosby, Seguin
2016-17 NHL 1.16 (3rd) McDavid, Crosby, Kucherov, Kane, Marchand

Assists
2007-08 NHL 59 (6th)
2008-09 NHL 78 (1st)
2011-12 NHL 59 (3rd)
2013-14 NHL 49 (10th)

APG
2007-08 NHL 0.72 (10th)
2008-09 NHL 0.95 (1st)
2009-10 NHL 0.73 (10th)
2011-12 NHL 0.79 (3rd)
2012-13 NHL 0.77 (6th)
2013-14 NHL 0.82 (2nd)
2016-17 NHL 0.63 (8th)

Goals
2007-08 NHL 47 (4th)
2011-12 NHL 50 (2nd)

GPG
2007-08 NHL 0.57 (6th)
2011-12 NHL 0.67 (2nd)
2015-16 NHL 0.47 (6th)
2016-17 NHL 0.53 (3rd)




Peter Forsberg

Career totals
GP 708 G 249 A 636 P 885

Awards
Hart
Art Ross


Hart finishes: 7, 11, 13, 17

Hart competition
2002-03: Naslund, Brodeur, Thornton, Bertuzzi, MacInnis

Selke finishes: 2, 4, 6, 8, 11, 34


Points
1995-96 NHL 116 (5th) Lemieux, Jagr, Sakic, Francis, Lindros
1997-98 NHL 91 (2nd) Jagr, Bure, Gretzky, Palffy, Leclair
1998-99 NHL 97 (4th) Jagr, Selanne, Kariya, Sakic, Yashin
2000-01 NHL 89 (9th)
2002-03 NHL 106 (1st) Naslund, Thornton, Hejduk, Bertuzzi, Demitra

PPG
1995-96 NHL 1.41 (6th) Lemieux, Jagr, Lindros, Francis, Sakic
1996-97 NHL 1.32 (6th) Lemieux, Lindros, Jagr, Kariya, Selanne
1997-98 NHL 1.26 (2nd) Jagr, Selanne, Modano, Turgeon, Lindros
1998-99 NHL 1.24 (5th) Jagr, Selanne, Sakic, Lindros, Fleury
2000-01 NHL 1.22 (4th) Lemieux, Jagr, Sakic, Palffy, Kovalev
2002-03 NHL 1.41 (1st) Naslund ,Thornton, Hejduk, Bertuzzi, Demitra
2003-04 NHL 1.41 (1st) Savard, St Louis, Lang, Tanguay, Naslund
2005-06 NHL 1.25 (9th)

Assists
1994-95 NHL 35 (10th)
1995-96 NHL 86 (4th)
1996-97 NHL 58 (9th)
1997-98 NHL 66 (3rd)
1998-99 NHL 67 (2nd)
2000-01 NHL 62 (6th)
2002-03 NHL 77 (1st)

APG
1995-96 NHL 1.05 (4th)
1996-97 NHL 0.89 (3rd)
1997-98 NHL 0.92 (1st)
1998-99 NHL 0.86 (2nd)
1999-00 NHL 0.76 (5th)
2000-01 NHL 0.85 (4th)
2002-03 NHL 1.03 (1st)
2003-04 NHL 0.95 (1st)
2005-06 NHL 0.93 (3rd)

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[Iceman]

Forsberg

Not sure who is a comparable to Malkin at this point... maybe Elmer Lach? He has probably passed Fedorov at this point at least.

 

[La Masse]

Foppa for better prime but Malkin easily for better careers

 

[Plural]

Forsberg

Not sure who is a comparable to Malkin at this point... maybe Elmer Lach? He has probably passed Fedorov at this point at least.

I too think he's past Fedorov. I'm not entirely sure he should be ranked ahead of Foppa just yet. He's likely getting there though. Were you part of the center project few years back? IIRC, Dionne and Foppa were pretty close to each other around top-20.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Malkin slight edge in prime and bigger edge in career. He's the more well rounded and durable player.

But they're certainly a good comparison in terms of skill and roster situation. I just think Malkin is a bigger driver of the league narrative than Forsberg was.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

this was already done

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2021757

 

[authentic]

Foppa for better prime but Malkin easily for better careers

How is it easily? Forsberg has more games played, more points and points per game in the regular season and playoffs at this point. He was also more physical and quite a bit better defensively.

Malkin slight edge in prime and bigger edge in career. He's the more well rounded and durable player.

But they're certainly a good comparison in terms of skill and roster situation. I just think Malkin is a bigger driver of the league narrative than Forsberg was.

In 12 seasons Malkin has played 70+ 4 times, and 3 of those were his first 3 seasons... Forsberg had 5 in 12 seasons (not including the 9 and 2 games at the end of his career if you are counting those then I could see where you're coming from). Forsberg also played less than 60 games 3 times, and the same for Malkin. Forsberg also did however play 47 of the 48 games in the lockout season.

As far as more well rounded, I don't think you ever watched Forsberg play. He was better defensively and more physical than Malkin. Malkin was a better goal scorer and that's about it. Everything else they are fairly comparable in.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Watched Forsberg's entire career from draft day as a Flyers fan in Philly to the last days as a Preds fan in Nashville.

 

[Plural]

Watched Forsberg's entire career from draft day as a Flyers fan in Philly to the last days as a Preds fan in Nashville.

Seems kind of weird that you consider Malkin more well-rounded then. I definitely don't agree.

 

[Iceman]

I too think he's past Fedorov. I'm not entirely sure he should be ranked ahead of Foppa just yet. He's likely getting there though. Were you part of the center project few years back? IIRC, Dionne and Foppa were pretty close to each other around top-20.

No, I wasn't.

 

[authentic]

Watched Forsberg's entire career from draft day as a Flyers fan in Philly to the last days as a Preds fan in Nashville.

That makes things even more interesting then.

 

[Legionnaire11]

I guess I should say more well rounded offensively. Forsberg was definitely better defensively.

I'm sure there are still disagreements with that statement, but that's okay. It wouldn't even be a question if there was a clear answer one way or the other!

 

[authentic]

I guess I should say more well rounded offensively. Forsberg was definitely better defensively.

I'm sure there are still disagreements with that statement, but that's okay. It wouldn't even be a question if there was a clear answer one way or the other!

I would agree with that.

 

[kujo31]

I like Forsberg's style as a player more, but I think skill wise especially offensively I chose Malkin.

When Forsberg played he was a great player but I never though of him as the best in the NHL, Malkin has had moments in his career where he was the best NHL player in the world.

Point totals are similar, but I think Malkin has been able to accomplish his numbers in a tougher era to score.

Keep in mind Malkin also plays with Crosby on his team, and Crosby is one of the greatest of all time and Malkin has been able to challenge him occasionally where he was better then Crosby even being able to win a few heart trophies etc.
given the Crosby was injured occasionally but still to be able to challenge the best player in the world and do it successful even if it was in small busts is nothing to scuff at.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Malkin has two Art Rosses in his prime and the most dominant Smythe run of any forward post lockout. Forsberg was good but only made a case for best forward in the league for a single year (and even there, the players voted Naslund as MVP).

 

[Canucks1096]

Forsberg has a higher ppg in the playoffs and the Regular season. Also in a lower scoring era as well however Forsberg has better wingers in his career.
Malkin can carry a line with average players better than Forsberg. However Forsberg is better defensively.

So for me if the players are equal. I use awards and the Toews argument (cups) for the tie breaker. So since Malkin has more awards and cups. Malkin is better.

 

[authentic]

I like Forsberg's style as a player more, but I think skill wise especially offensively I chose Malkin.

When Forsberg played he was a great player but I never though of him as the best in the NHL, Malkin has had moments in his career where he was the best NHL player in the world.

Point totals are similar, but I think Malkin has been able to accomplish his numbers in a tougher era to score.

Keep in mind Malkin also plays with Crosby on his team, and Crosby is one of the greatest of all time and Malkin has been able to challenge him occasionally where he was better then Crosby even being able to win a few heart trophies etc.
given the Crosby was injured occasionally but still to be able to challenge the best player in the world and do it successful even if it was in small busts is nothing to scuff at.

Malkin has two Art Rosses in his prime and the most dominant Smythe run of any forward post lockout. Forsberg was good but only made a case for best forward in the league for a single year (and even there, the players voted Naslund as MVP).

From 2002 until 2006, when Forsberg was on the ice, he was easily the best player in the league. If we're using NHL players votes then we have to consider that halfway through the 2005-06 season the players voted him the best by a convincing margin over Jagr and Thornton. Naslund was not better despite his Lindsay award, Forsberg outscored him in 7 less games and was clearly a better defensive player and in the playoffs by far. People put too much stock into awards that many times don't mean much. I sincerely wish that lockout never happened and Forsberg never had those foot and ankle issues, he would be seen in a whole different light than he is now I think by those who question if he was even ever the best player for more than one season, or if that was even the case.

 

[Plural]

I guess I should say more well rounded offensively. Forsberg was definitely better defensively.

I'm sure there are still disagreements with that statement, but that's okay. It wouldn't even be a question if there was a clear answer one way or the other!

This definitely makes sense.

 

[tomi2]

I think Forsberg was definitely better all-round player than Malkin. Both bring excellent offense, but Forsberg was also good defensively (not necessarily elite, but good). And Forsberg was a physical beast. I think Forsberg was also (slightly) better in playoffs overall.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pretty close to equal. Forsberg more well rounded but Malkin can dominate games at a slightly higher level when he's on.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Pretty close to equal. Forsberg more well rounded but Malkin can dominate games at a slightly higher level when he's on.

Eeeh.....? (Cant post Colorado-Florida when Forsberg took over the game completley and the Avs got back from 1-5 to 7-5)

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Too many people on this board didnt even watch Forsberg play

 

[HansonBro]

Went Malkin and yes I watched Pete

 

[Iceman]

Malkin has two Art Rosses in his prime and the most dominant Smythe run of any forward post lockout. Forsberg was good but only made a case for best forward in the league for a single year (and even there, the players voted Naslund as MVP).

Except that Forsberg has been a better playoff performer than Malkin overall.

 

[tomi2]

Too many people on this board didnt even watch Forsberg play

If I'm guarenteed that both players are healthy, I'd definitely take Forsberg ahead of Malkin. But Foppas career was cut short because of injuries, so I'd say Malkin is likely to surpass Forsberg.